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Phantasy Star timeline

PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:43 pm
by BenoitRen
I've revised Phantasy Star Cave's timeline and put up a draft. The aim is to have a timeline that does not contradict the English or Japanese games, while omitting the revisionism of the Compendium. Since this is in English, the English names are used.

I haven't included Phantasy Star III yet, because it's either 1000 or 2000 years after Phantasy Star II.

Comments and suggestions welcome.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:00 pm
by Zucca
Really nice work so far!

Suggestion: Two columns to the left side of the date - E and J.
One or both contain a '*' to represent that the event in current line happened on that date in both or one version.
This way the line "Beginning of PSIII" will show up in two places.

-OR-

Just color the background of each line instead of two extra columns.
Blue for English, red for Japanese and yellow for both... for example...

I can't really decide which is better until I see/experience it.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:16 pm
by thriwren
In the years column just have the year displayed as AW 1384/1484 and have an asterisk explaining on the two years.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:31 pm
by Zucca
thriwren wrote:In the years column just have the year displayed as AW 1384/1484 and have an asterisk explaining on the two years.

You can't put dates in order if you do that. In that case either one is in wrong order. That's why I'd put same events with different date to seperate places to preserve the date order in both timelines. It's easier to follow both timelines then. ;)

PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:13 pm
by Semix
its a good draft sir

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:08 am
by thriwren
Zucca wrote:
thriwren wrote:In the years column just have the year displayed as AW 1384/1484 and have an asterisk explaining on the two years.

You can't put dates in order if you do that. In that case either one is in wrong order. That's why I'd put same events with different date to seperate places to preserve the date order in both timelines. It's easier to follow both timelines then. ;)
True, but that would have double enteries of the same information.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:25 pm
by brown29
Good work!!!!

It's about time someone did a proper timeline....

Lets all try and help with accuate information and not fill in the gaps with silly overstavations.

Also, it might be an idea to leave PS3 until the end.

1 2 and 4 would be the best starting point.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:14 pm
by Zucca
thriwren wrote:
Zucca wrote:<blah blah>
True, but that would have double enteries of the same information.
Unfortunately so. But I would still recommend it. :)

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:01 pm
by BenoitRen
After all these years, I'm still wondering where the discrepancy actually came from.

We know English PSIII takes place 1000 years after the destruction of Parma as the elders from New Mota said so. But where do we get that Japanese PSIII takes place 1000 years later? Is it an assumption based on what's written in the Compendium?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:44 pm
by Abominae
Err... I have a post to delete... brb...

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:04 pm
by thriwren
BenoitRen wrote:After all these years, I'm still wondering where the discrepancy actually came from.

We know English PSIII takes place 1000 years after the destruction of Parma as the elders from New Mota said so. But where do we get that Japanese PSIII takes place 1000 years later? Is it an assumption based on what's written in the Compendium?
I am taking into the assumtion of the Dark for and 1000 year tradition. So I would put the Layan/orokian war was going on about the same time as (approx.) as PSIV.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:35 pm
by Zucca
thriwren wrote:
BenoitRen wrote:After all these years, I'm still wondering where the discrepancy actually came from.
I am taking into the assumtion of the Dark for and 1000 year tradition. So I would put the Layan/orokian war was going on about the same time as (approx.) as PSIV.
So in that theory PSIII happened actually bit later than PSIV?
Assuming that Dark Force boraded into Alisa III at the same time when PSIV started. After that Dark Force manipulated Laya and Orakio to start war against each other. Eventually they saw what was going on and started to plan deafeating Dark Force, but only succeed in capturing him/her into Orakio's sword. How long these wars lasted? And how long after that when Rhys found Maia from the beach?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:23 am
by thriwren
Zucca wrote:
thriwren wrote:
BenoitRen wrote:After all these years, I'm still wondering where the discrepancy actually came from.
I am taking into the assumtion of the Dark for and 1000 year tradition. So I would put the Layan/orokian war was going on about the same time as (approx.) as PSIV.
So in that theory PSIII happened actually bit later than PSIV?
Assuming that Dark Force boraded into Alisa III at the same time when PSIV started. After that Dark Force manipulated Laya and Orakio to start war against each other. Eventually they saw what was going on and started to plan deafeating Dark Force, but only succeed in capturing him/her into Orakio's sword. How long these wars lasted? And how long after that when Rhys found Maia from the beach?
Or Dark force boarded the ship when Palm was destroyed and laid dormant.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:12 am
by Abominae
If I remember correctly, DF was aboard the Palma evacuation ships and destroyed them all till only the ship PS3 takes place on and another (no, obviously, I don't remember the names)

Regardless, at least 30-36 years elapsed in the timeline of PS3 (the following generation isn't just born an adult after all... takes time for the little pecker to grow up), so with that being said, it could still be possible for PS3/4 to take place either simultaneously or one a few years before or after the other.

However, without the aid of an official timeline, it's nigh impossible to discern which game occurred first, or as some people speculate, that the events in PS3 (Rhys story... I don't want you guys getting confused now... the epitome of Phantasy Star speculation) begin before the events in PS4 and still ending AFTER PS4.

This is all speculation and you really should draw your own conclusions about it all. But really, if you want to know... Try writing to Sega and asking them.

I've had a bit of luck with things like that. Maybe you will too... But try not to do what a lot of PS fans do and start your letter off with "OMG I R DA BIGGEST PS PHAN (LOL!!!) EVAR!!! PLEEZ TELL ME IF PHANTASY STAR 3 HAPPENS B4 OR AFTER 4! MY SOCKS CANT TAKE MUCH MORE STARCHING!!! PLEASE HELP!

PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:03 pm
by Zucca
Palm Exploded ---> Dark Force boarded Alisa III
Dark Force rests on Alisa III ---> Everything's OK, for now...
PSIV started ---> Things started to go wrong on Alisa III (Orakian and Layan wars)

Or how long after the explosion of Palma Dark Force boarded Alisa III? How long It took for him/her to destroy all the other world ships? I guess this is unknown? I guess he/she didn't just destroy all the ships in one day... More like several years... Maybe 1000 years until it was Alisa III's turn?

So:
Palm explosion ---> Dark Force splits at Noah (or there were already two of them) and goes after "easy targets" == world ships ---> ... which will took 1000 years to complete except for Alisa III where he/she is then captured ---> Some years after (from capturing of Dark Force by Orakio to the time of the last generation of PSIII) heroes at Alisa III defeats Dark Force, finally.

All this is just based on my poor memory. I don't actually remember if Laya and Orakio actually fought each other and Dark Force right after Palm explosion. And then if Dark Force was captured into Orakio's sword for next thousand years? That's the part I really cannot remember. How long did he/she was captured? I guess I have to play PSIII first generetion again, or look for some scripts. ;)
There are too many open questions in the timeline for me. :)