Timeline, questions... ALL PS FANS READ

[BenoitRen]

At least according to the Japanese wikipedia page on PSIII, it does take place 2000 years after PSII. The source they cite for this is the compendium.

I just searched through all PSIII-related info in the Compendium, and nowhere is it stated when the Laya-Orakio war happens, or that PSIII happens 2000 years after PSII.

Edge, you should check out the partial retranslation of PSIII by Rebecca Capowski. So far, there's Kein's quest and Ayn's quest.

[skymandr]

I agree, I can't find any clear evidence supporting that conclusion either -- neither in the English nor in the Japanese. There are things that could be interpreted that way, I guess, such as the fact that Parma is never mentioned, which COULD imply (perhaps) that the origin of the ship has been forgotten over time, which is a little harder to motivate if the abandoning of Parma coincided with the Orakio-Laya war. ...but on the other hand a major disaster and wild evacuation, and a war on top of that -- sounds like he kind of setting where records are lost...

There is one more interesting piece of info on the Japanese Wiki, which in their interpretation strengthens their case: apparently there is an "Ohario Sa Riik" mentioned as the leader of the resistance on Parma in the remake of PSII. As they interpret it, this is an ancestor to Orakio Sa Riik (ancestor to Rhys/Cain/Kane Sa Riik), but I'm guessing this could easily be Orakio's father or even older brother (or uncle?), as it is implied that Orakio is young when he fights Laya... Yep, a transcript or retranslation would certainly help! =)

From the evidence there doesn't seem to be a strong case for PSIII being set 1000 years after PSIV, which might mean that Mike was right all along... Head ache...

[Edge]

Palma is mentioned in New Mota, as BenoitRen had mentioned earlier... Either on this thread or the other timeline thread...

Thank you, I will download that right away, if nothing else, it will help me reach New Mota in the Japanese version, so I can take screen shots and have someone check it out for me...

In New Mota they mention that 400 ships had escaped, and even show a little movie of many of them being attacked, I do believe, 1,000 years ago... What I want to do, is go there on each 4th generation to see if they say 1,000 years no matter what... I'm THINKING it is simply an error, meaning 1,000 years before Rhys, or else, why wouldn't the time change, as each 4th generation character is a different age, and Nial is 3 years older than Ayn to begin with.

I guess we'll see... I'MA BOUT TO FIND OUT WHAT 580 IS!

Edit: BAH, it's not a rom, it's a text... STILL worth reading all of... WHY HAS NO ONE EVER TRANSLATED JAP2ENGLISH PHANTASY STAR GAMES LIKE THEY DO EVERY FRICKEN FINAL FANTASY >_<

[Edge]

So... What I've learned is... Miau, maiu??? Whatever, is only 580 years old, and constructed with technology that was wiped out 1,000 years ago... Siren fought alongside Orakio, and Miun, MEANING, Orakio's party would had been 3 members ONLY, Orakio, Miun, and Siren... Also, Siren had "pledged his heart" to Orakio, meaning, BenoitRen is actually correct, and Orakio DID NOT construct him, as he appeared to had openly pledged his robotic soul to Orakio.

Also, the war was for sure 1,000 years ago, however, this is on BOTH generations... So I'm guessing when they say 1,000 years ago, it's being rounded that way, and not EXACTLY 1,000 years... Perhaps Dark Force didn't NEED to come back 1,000 years EXACTLY because he's sealed within "His Shrine of Darkness".

Now if I can only find someone who knows Japanese, and I'll take screen shots of each piece of text in New Mota, and we can finally get to the bottom of this whole mystery... I guess I need to ask the PS fans if anyone does...

[BenoitRen]

There is one more interesting piece of info on the Japanese Wiki, which in their interpretation strengthens their case: apparently there is an "Ohario Sa Riik" mentioned as the leader of the resistance on Parma in the remake of PSII.

The team behind the PSII remake must have read the Compendium, because that name comes right from the AW 1284 entry in the timeline that the book presents.

From the evidence there doesn't seem to be a strong case for PSIII being set 1000 years after PSIV, which might mean that Mike was right all along... Head ache...

How so? Mike never said otherwise when it came to the Japanese continuity. He may even have invented this factoid in his and Neilast's "The Two Phantasy Stars" essay.

WHY HAS NO ONE EVER TRANSLATED JAP2ENGLISH PHANTASY STAR GAMES LIKE THEY DO EVERY FRICKEN FINAL FANTASY >_<

• The original Phantasy Star first got a rough script translation many years ago that is up on the PS Pages. More recently, a team of SMS Power members retranslated the game and inserted the script into the original Japanese ROM. You can find it on PS Cave in the Fan-translated ROMs section of the Downloads section.
• Many years ago, someone made a pretty good script translation of Phantasy Star II, which was originally available on Naflign's website, but is now hidden on the PS Pages' server.
• Paul Jensen, who worked on the original Phantasy Star retranslation, is working on a Phantasy Star IV retranslation. I have no idea of his progress, as he rarely posts, but he kindly translated Le Roof's speech on request.

So, uh, we're getting there.

Now if I can only find someone who knows Japanese, and I'll take screen shots of each piece of text in New Mota, and we can finally get to the bottom of this whole mystery... I guess I need to ask the PS fans if anyone does...

Post them here, and someone will most likely translate it if time permits.

[skymandr]

NO, you're right. he probably never said anything contrary to that. I meant something more like, this might render the whole Mike-conflict meaningless (which many would argue it already was... ).

Anyhow, I've been scouring the net for clues, and it seems that all Japanese who have an opinion on it mean that the Orakio-Laya conflict is set long after PS2... I'm trying to find someone who has dumped the Japanese script... =)

NINJA EDIT:
I may have found something here: http://bui-n.boo.jp/ps/pssakuhin.htm
There they claim that 1000 years prior to Orakio and Laya, their ancestors Ohario and Aina fought Dark Force. It is not a direct quote from the game, so it may be speculation similar to what we're doing here, but right before the author has asserted that the Old men of Foundry (ファウンダウリ = Faundauri = New Mota) tell the player the details of the history of their artificial world... I'll keep looking...

[Edge]

Well, I'ma use the "Escapipe-skip-generation 2 bug" to get to New Mota as quickly as humanly possible, if the Japanese rom permits this. We SHOULD find our answers in New Mota. If it continues to claim they jumped on to the ships 1,000 years ago in the Japanese rom, then we kindly know exactly what happened.

[Zucca]

... And therefore I declare this topic most important and interesting thing since release of PSIV.

Sirs, please continue.

[skymandr]

Found a script page: http://page.freett.com/naknak/game/ps/k ... /m061.html
(If anyone is still translating PS3, this page might be good to bookmark! It would seem it has the scripts for the other games as well...)

Here comes a rough translation:

* "Here, in 'the quiet village of Faundauri,' You can learn our lost history."

* "You had better listen to what the tellers of history have to say."

* "Hark! We are descendants of the planet Palma... Palma, the most beautiful and shining [world] in the Algol star system... The people were a loving people, and very generous, with a great desire for being generous... [I think... there are no Kanji, so it is a little difficult, plus it is very formal... There may be something about them being numerous too.] The people were happy... We are the descendants of those Palmans, and so, then, are You..."

* "Hark! We are descendants of the planet Palma... On the 'Mother Planet' Palma, our ancestors lived in happiness, however, every 1000 years with the reappearance of the so called 'Evil Force,' Palma was ravaged [other interpretations are possible, for example it may have been destroyed 1000 years ago (someone should check this...), but that doesn't go with what comes below...]!"

* "Hark! We are descendants of the planet Palma... 2000 years ago, the heroes Ohario and Aina appeared on Palma, to challenge and make battle with the 'Evil Force'. However... They lost..."

* "Hark! We are descendants of the planet Palma... With the defeat of Ohario and Aina, the people realised they had to abandon Palma. We secretly built 400 spaceships. But then the 'Evil Force' obliterated Palma just before the escape..."

* "Hark! We are descendants of the planet Palma... The 400 spaceships attempted to escape from the 'Evil Force'. But a part of the 'Evil Force' had already boarded our ships. Because of this, one after the other, the ships were bound to go under, in the 'Era of Orakio and Laya' only two ships, our 'Alisa III' and the 'Neopalm,' were left to carry the burden..."

[BenoitRen]

Holy ****! So Ohario and Aina weren't inventions by the Compendium! A lot seems to have been going on on Palma in PSII. They knew more than PSI told us.

What puzzles me is how a 'part' of the "Evil Force" (likely a reference to Dark Force) boarded the ships. Why only a part?

Also notable is that either it took 1000 years for the "Evil Force" to destroy 398 ships, or that the "Evil Force" destroyed 398 ships immediately and only attempted to destroy the last two ships 1000 years later for some reason. For this to make sense with what we know from PSIV, I'm inclined to pick the first option.

Edge, you should still play up to New Mota and take screenshots for verification. Don't let this discourage you.

[Edge]

I'm on it... We may just finally have a Phantasy Star III timeline!

[skymandr]

What puzzles me is how a 'part' of the "Evil Force" (likely a reference to Dark Force) boarded the ships. Why only a part?

I've has a second look at that part to see if there are other possible interpretations. It could also be "a copy," or "a specimen". The Japanese is also inherently very vague on plurals, so it may well be (indeed it seems likely, I think) that a part (specimen) sneaked or manifested istelf aboard each (or many) of the ships, rather than one copy jumping ships. (Parallel processing! )
This would be consistent with observations of many DFs in PSIV, and also with the report from Neopalm of having had trouble with a DF of their own.

Also notable is that either it took 1000 years for the "Evil Force" to destroy 398 ships, or that the "Evil Force" destroyed 398 ships immediately and only attempted to destroy the last two ships 1000 years later for some reason. For this to make sense with what we know from PSIV, I'm inclined to pick the first option.

If the second option is the truth, it might be that those two managed too escape far from some sort of "sphere of influence" of the Seal, for the DF to operate independently after the Seal was closed again. It would make sense if the DF had more power around the conjunction, even if it could operate independently, wouldn't it? Perhaps most ships were destroyed shortly after, but those two (and perhaps some more that got away, but not far enough) escaped, leaving DF with no choice but to try again once it regained its strength a 1000 years later..? (And yes, I think "Evil Force" is most likely meant to be DF.)

Edge, you should still play up to New Mota and take screenshots for verification. Don't let this discourage you.

Seconded!

[Edge]

I got the screen shots... I'm posting them here, I believe the 2,000 years ago aspect is correct! It does say the number "2000" once... Side-question, since I went with Aron, so I could skip stuff, since Aron's ending ties up the best for the Phantasy Star Universe... Should I get a jap screen shot of his ending? If not... I'm done with this Japanese gibberish. If so, I'm not too terribly far from the end now......

[skymandr]

w00t! You're a fast moving one, aren't you?

[Edge]

You're the fast one, I had a reply by the time I made the screen shot post! Whoa dere, speedy fellar... LOL JK!

Anyhow, here we go!

http://www.pscave.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=45159#45159

Opinions on wanting Aron's Ending in Japanese? Although... I do believe it says it all in the American version, they cross a black hole, Earth ppl are still alive, and this would seem the generations that were actually chosen in the "history" of Phantasy Star... Ah... Phantasy Starology... Greatness!