The true ending of PSII. (spoilers)

[Monocromatico]

That discussion led me to a mistake :^P<p>THERE´S NO MOON CRASH ENDING IN PS3.<p>There :^P

[Malakai]

Well, then...I'm going to play PSIII anyway!

[Lord Khyron]

They don't crash.. here is that ending right here<p>Mieu:<br>Look! We're going into a black hole!<p>(The ship passes through and appears near a new planet.)<p>Kara:<br>We were knocked out by that collision.<p>Wren:<br>The stars aren't in the right places. We were transported<br>across space and time when we went through the black hole's<br>surface.<p>Mieu:<br>We're getting a message from a planet that orbits the star<br>ahead of us....<p>Voice:<br>Greetings, alien craft! Identify yourselves. This is the<br>London Communications Center on Earth of the Sol system.<br>Over and out.<br>

[Benoit]

<blockquote>I just found it incredibly stupid of Benoit to come and voice ignorance about a pretty important political figure of the past...</blockquote><br>Maybe it's time to refresh your mind with the fact that you live in the US and that I live in Europe.<br>It's only natural for you to know what your past rulers are done, just like it's natural for me to know what my rulers have done.<br>That being said, Roosevelt loses a lot of importance to our history, solely because it was not a European (or even Belgian) event.<br>Also, 90% of history classes spent in school involve old civilizations and the Middle Ages.<br>Since the last year, though, we're focusing more on the current age.<p>So that's why the delay on knowing this. You can lay off now, okay?<br> <blockquote>In the ending credits, we are presented with a shot of Dezo, and nearing the end a flash of light in orbit, most likely Noah.</blockquote><br>OMG, not this again...<br>Mike Ripp concluded this to be a worldship, after analyzing it in detail. Now someone else thinks it's Rolf using Megid?<br>Oh come on, it's just a lens flare of the sun behind Dezo. We see a similar thing in PSIV's ending. Next we'll have Mike Ripp say that that's a Pioneer ship...

[Shell Presto]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Monocromatico</i><p>That discussion led me to a mistake :^P<p>THERE´S NO MOON CRASH ENDING IN PS3.<p>There :^P<br></blockquote><p>There is no moon-crash ending, true, but Aron's ending where the Alisa III (the ship) ends up so close to earth means they would probably maintain contact, which would give the earthlings access to their technology. I think it is the "real" ending of PSIII simply because, as with all "choose your own adventure" books, which PSIII seems based on, it is always the good ending which is the correct one. <p>Most notably, this would also give humans knowledge of where the Algo star system is, what it's planets are like and what they would have to do to make them human-friendly. They'd be all prepared to make a ship and abandon their planet, going right to Algo and carrying out the events of PSII.<p>And, finally, the most important fact: Dark Force is on the earthling's ship. Dark force was created in Algo and exists only in Algo. However, he was still aboard the Alisa III when they teleported to Earth's realm. Dark Force would still be working to free the profound darkness. <p>Now my theory. He jumps ship to Earth, helps destroy the planet and then makes sure he gets on the Earthling's ship when they go to Algo. All the while, he influences them to create mother brain.<p>So, well, that's my theory. I think Dark Force is a major key in this and not to be forgotten.

[Benoit]

If the Dark Force still exists at all, and isn't simply led to believe he'll revive in 1000 years with the Profound Darkness' help, which would then be dead...<p>I wouldn't call that a good ending. They didn't really find a place to call home.<br>I would certainly not call it the only good ending. In a way, all endings are good, especially the ones where they find a planet.

[LaconianShot]

<blockquote>The beauty of PSII's ending, however, is that it can be interpreted in whichever manner the player wants. That's what's so wonderful about it.</blockquote> <br>Nicely said. I agree.

[Lietz]

ok go to (spoilers) http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/genesis/a/phant3.htm (spoilers) its freaky<p>well i gess they dont crash but still. I gess I'm confused.<p>Heres PSII<p>http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/genesis/a/phant2.htm<p>[size=small][Edit by Lietz on [TIME]1107212704[/TIME]][/size]

[Lietz]

also check other stuff on the website www.vgmuseum.com

[Malakai]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Shell Presto</i><p>Most notably, this would also give humans knowledge of where the Algo star system is, what it's planets are like and what they would have to do to make them human-friendly. They'd be all prepared to make a ship and abandon their planet, going right to Algo and carrying out the events of PSII.<p>And, finally, the most important fact: Dark Force is on the earthling's ship. Dark force was created in Algo and exists only in Algo. However, he was still aboard the Alisa III when they teleported to Earth's realm. Dark Force would still be working to free the profound darkness. <p>Now my theory. He jumps ship to Earth, helps destroy the planet and then makes sure he gets on the Earthling's ship when they go to Algo. All the while, he influences them to create mother brain.<br></blockquote><p>That certainly is an interesting theory, and I guess it would be cool if Sega meant it to be that way in a round-about way. However, it isn't chronologically plausible.<p>Consider that chronologically PSIII takes place around the time of PSIV, perhaps later since the Orakio-Laya conflict probably happened much after they left Palm - remember that Dark Force had alrady destroyed almost all of the ships before he made it to the Alisa III and was defeated and then sealed up in the lake. PSIII then takes place another 1,000 years after that event. So now if the Alisa III met up with earth, it would have had to time travel maybe two millenia into the PAST for all those different events to unfold. Remember, the earthmen still had to arrive in the Algol system and set up Mother Brain in the year AW 845 - 400 years before PSII even happens!

[Siren]

<blockquote><i>Insultingly posted by Benoit:</i> <br>OMG, not this again...<br>Mike Ripp concluded this to be a worldship, after analyzing it in detail. Now someone else thinks it's Rolf using Megid? </blockquote> <p>That was the wrong thing to say. <br>First of all: how <i>dare</i> you compare me to Ripplinger? This is especially surprising after I just stuck up for you when you didn't know who Roosevelt was. <p>Second of all: what in the world is wrong with me suggesting that? Do you have a problem with varying interpretations? Why count out that it was spaceship Noah? What other significant object was in Dezo's orbit? <p>An explosion on Noah, which we *could* attribute to Megid (why not? an incredibly high-explosive technique could blow a hole in the spaceship, which could be viewed from the outside) is in more direct relation to the ending of the story than the appearance of a worldship or a solar flare. The worldship isn't really something a player could identify with prior to playing Phantasy Star III (and I doubt Sega had thought that far ahead), and a solar flare is so unrelated that I couldn't see its signifigance.<p>Why haven't you put in a second thought? <p>Benoit, I wouldn't be insulting me for having a different interpretation than you, especially since I've only ever seen you state well-known facts from the Compendium; in a year, I've never seen you venture a theory.<br><p>[size=small][Edit by Siren on [TIME]1107216932[/TIME]][/size]

[Shell Presto]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Malakai</i><p> However, it isn't chronologically plausible.<p>Consider that chronologically PSIII takes place around the time of PSIV, perhaps later since the Orakio-Laya conflict probably happened much after they left Palm - remember that Dark Force had alrady destroyed almost all of the ships before he made it to the Alisa III and was defeated and then sealed up in the lake. PSIII then takes place another 1,000 years after that event. So now if the Alisa III met up with earth, it would have had to time travel maybe two millenia into the PAST for all those different events to unfold. Remember, the earthmen still had to arrive in the Algol system and set up Mother Brain in the year AW 845 - 400 years before PSII even happens!<br></blockquote><p>Wren said at the end of the game when you are sucked into the black whole:<br>The stars aren't in the right places. We were transported across space and<i> time</i> when we went through the black hole's surface.<br> <br>I took the "time" to mean that they had jumped back. I mean, even the fact that they reached earth means they had to go back in time. Earth was destroyed (probably 1000s of) years before PSII takes place, since the earthlings are there solely because earth is destroyed. <p>The crew of Alisa III wouldn't have been able to see/communicate with earth if the planet was uninhabitable, therefore the time jump is assumed and the theory is still plausible.

[Malakai]

It would also explain how the earthmen learned to build spaceship so big as to survive so long in space.<p>Siren, maybe he's having a bad day. It's true that it's a little out of Benoit's character to say that, but you know he likes to debate. The comparison with Mikey was a little low, though...

[Monocromatico]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Shell Presto</i><p>There is no moon-crash ending, true, but Aron's ending where the Alisa III (the ship) ends up so close to earth means they would probably maintain contact, which would give the earthlings access to their technology. I think it is the "real" ending of PSIII simply because, as with all "choose your own adventure" books, which PSIII seems based on, it is always the good ending which is the correct one. <p></blockquote><p>Why is it a good ending, or better than the others? I find the one which ALisa III and Neopalm start to travel together a much cooler ending. The only bad ending, in my conception, is death :^P<p>Not only there are 4 equally valid endings, but if you analyze the marrying choices in 1st and 2nd generations, you will end up with Aron being the most unlikely character, if a single story line must be followed. This timeloop bullshit is technically absurd and extremely cliché, something that would make me throw a book or a video in the trash bin right away.

[Malakai]

Hehe, you put it so tactly, Mono.