Musical Discussion (There. Not spam.)

[Sir Nicholas]

Okay, a listening thread is spam. Hwhatever. A musical discussion thread shouldn't fall into that category. I think.

Anyway, this is a place to rant about your bands that refuse to evacuate your CD player, the type of music that entertains you during hideously boring Economics classes if your teacher's name is Mr. Pax, or other musical ditties that you love. Such as Row, Row, Row Your Boat. Or Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. Or Patty Cake.

Anyway, I used to like hip-hop. Then rock. Then (real) techno. Now I'm in a sort of transition phase between trance and minimal. Though I still listen to those other genres from time to time.

Aaaaanyway, the people I like that more of you have heard of...

OutKast
Eminem
Kanye West
Goo Goo Dolls
Modest Mouse
Harry And The Potters
Franz Ferdinand
Iron Maiden
Metallica (Early stuff)

Aaaaand the much bigger list of my favourite electronic music producers...

Push (AKA M.I.K.E AKA Plastic Boy AKA Fascinated AKA his 80 other aliases)
Chicane
Armin van Buuren
Paul van Dyk
Tiesto
Man With No Name
Union Jack
Astral Projection
The Field
Transa
Pulser
Airwave
Ferry Corsten
Thrillseekers
Infected Mushroom
Thomas Bangaltar
Oliver Lieb
Legend B
Matt Darey
Three Drives
Tilt
The Orb
Orbital
Whiteroom
Andy Moor
Above & Beyond
Gabriel & Dresden
Kyau & Albert
Blank & Jones
Solarstone
BT
ATB
Moogwai
Giuseppe Ottavianni
Filterheadz
Airbase
Benno de Goeij
Vincent de Moor
Hybrid
Sasha
Agnelli & Nelson
Nalin & Kane
Rolf El Mar
Jam & Spoon
Dance 2 Trance
The Visions Of Shiva
Cosmic Baby
Underworld
Emmanuel Top
Commander Tom

Aaaaaaand more besides that.
SO. What gets your groove thang going?

[Neo48]

I enjoy a good healthy dose of rock (old and new) with techno for dessert.

Techno comes in many great forms, but I must say my main attractions are:

Paul van Dyk
Prodigy
DJ Tiesto
Darude

There are many more, but not album wise.

My Rock list is massive I can't even remember them all at once. So I will name the artists that I see in front of my. And you can fill in the holes:

*Led Zepplin
*Doors
*Rolling Stones
Jethro Tull
Beatles
Eagles
*Pink Floyd (I also like Roger Water's solo stuff, and David Gilmour's solo stuff)
Cream
Yardbirds
ZZ Top

There are many more classic rock groups that I like, this is onyl a small handfull. Now for the newer stuff:

Tragically Hip
*Chris Cornell - Solo stuff, Sound Garden, Audioslave
Nirvana
Pearl Jam
Tea Party
Coldplay
Big Sugar
*Queens of the Stone Age
The Killers
Gorillaz
Muse
Sam Roberts
The Strokes
Alkaline Trio

Again, the list cna go on and on and on. The ones with stars are my person big favorites.

[kilderok]

ACK! Have you SEEN the latest video by Kanye West? I don't listen to him and didn't even barely know who he was until one of my e-buddies brought his video to the attention of her watchers...

Its like, a RIPOFF of Akira. O_o The music (is it music?) is disjointed and unflowing, and theres these CLAZY JAPANESE hiragana/katakana characters floating around. O_o WAT


assssss for my preferences, uhm...LOTS.

And more lots.

I can list my favorite bandies though, without giving it too much thought of catagorization and nuts.

.Ministry

.Skinny Puppy

.(older)Marilyn Manson (his new crap is bogus. >=( )

.Imogen Heap (as recently as two nights ago)

.Frou-Frou (ditto)

.Depeche Mode

.Daft Punk

.The Dresden Dolls

.The Cranberries

.Pantera

.The Mamas and the Papas (and I listen to things like PANTERA?! wat )

.Brenda Lee

.The Cure (older stuff)

.Rick Astley

.Neneh Cherry (for those four seconds she was famous)

.and I' ma BIG BIG fan of movie scores.

.and anime music sometimes, when its GOOD. And NOT whiny. :O Yeah, I said it. XP

[Neo48]

yeah, it does have an Akira edge to it. Also, that song (Stronger I believe) uses some parts of an old Daft Punk song.

Rip Offs all around...

[Sir Nicholas]

yeah, it does have an Akira edge to it. Also, that song (Stronger I believe) uses some parts of an old Daft Punk song.

Rip Offs all around...

It samples Harder Better Faster Stronger, but he does it WELL. And he's not o pretentious as to pretend it's not sampled. It says so right in the album.

PS Neo, you like trance, not techno.

Ishkur.com

Educate yourself.

[Neo48]

Haha, perhaps that is more of what I have in stock.

But you are right, I am not really educated in that area. I should take up time to learn it up, hehe. My knowledge is from the days of old. I know the little things.

Like when someone put a chicken on Alice Cooper's stage during a show. He said that growing in up in Detroit, they knew city stuff, not farm stuff. So he figured it would fly away if he threw it into th crowd. But the crowd ended up ripping the chicken apart. Then the newspapers all said that Alice Cooper bites the head off of a chicken. Haha

[Sir Nicholas]

Yeah I heard about that. Such is life. But at least you're willing to learn. Most people argue with me about what genre it is while it couldnt be more obvious that they have no idea what they're talking about. I'm only a four year veteran on the genre, former DJ, and charted on the dance charts back in 2005. What do I know?

[Eminems]

Hmm... well for starters I should just copy and paste Neo48's rock list in here, since they're all favourites of mine. Then add:

System of A Down
Rammstein (as long as they don't translate it into English)
Metallica
Drowning Pool
Disturbed

and the songs from Cats.... (I know it doesn't fit in with the rest but meh, I love it!).

[Neo48]

Ah yes, I could do the same, and paste yours onto mine. haha.


Chart song eh Nicholas? What did you have up there?

[kilderok]

and the songs from Cats.... (I know it doesn't fit in with the rest but meh, I love it!).

"Macvity's a mystery cat, he's called the hidden paw!...

Old deuterotomy has buried nine wives...

Mungojerrie and Rumpleteaser!

Oh yeah. <3 A good buddy of mine got me into the cats stuff. XD

P.S: Natalie Merchant. <3 Good stuff there too.

[LaconianShot]

I'm a huge fan of progressive rock, and jazz, as well as metal (but I'm pretty choosy about which bands-- there's a lot of crap in the genre). I guess I enjoy these genres because the technical level of playing is generally very high, and a lot of bands are very musically expressive, which is something that can be hard to find nowadays. I also like smatterings of other stuff, which you'll see in just a moment.

Some bands that I really enjoy are:

Progressive Rock
King Crimson
Yes
Emerson Lake & Palmer
Pink Floyd
Van Der Graaf Generator
Rush

Jazz
Art Blakey
Miles Davis (of course)
Pat Metheny
Stan Kenton
Count Basie
Pepper Adams
Chick Corea and Return to Forever
The Mahavishnu Orchestra
Weather Report
The Don Ellis Orchestra

Metal
Iron Maiden
Megadeth
Ayreon
Dream Theater (probably one of my favourite bands)
Symphony X
Strapping Young Lad
The Devin Townsend Band
Immortal

...plus I like some others, like The Doors, Rage Against the Machine, Matthew Good, Foo Fighters, The Arcade Fire, and some other stuff that I'll remember and maybe add later.

As for Techno, I'm not quite sure why the majority of it qualifies as music. Most DJs compose songs with a drum machine and their Macbook. If they even use manual synthesizers, what they do is very minimal and I cannot for the life of me see what about it is musical. Phrasing? No! Dynamics? No! Interesting melody that carries on for more than two bars without being looped? Not a chance! It's like the genre has been starved for ideas for so long that it cannot help but repeat its tired old clichés.
I've given techno a fair shake, and some of what is being done with sampling and such is very cool, but there's so much that's obscured by a lack of musicality that it's really not worth much time. A lot of it may be catchy, but it's not necessarily "music".
I think the lack of instrumental prowess in the genre has distanced it from musicality, for one thing. For another, the musical necrophilia that remixes usually embody simply disgusts me. Lets take a song written by people who can actually create something musical, speed the tempo up (or down), add fade-ins and a drum machine, and then profit by it. Nevermind the fact that the phrasing has gone to shit because of all the idiotic breaks in the song, or that the entire flow and mood of the song has become generic, but hey, let's call it music anyway. I've seen some exceptions, but pitifully few. Tasteful remixes are not a majority, that's for sure.
Unfortunately, I've yet to hear many techno groups that give the genre validity or musical credibility. This may offend the tastes of some people here, but if you've listened to the genre, you likely know what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that not catchy or fun to listen to sometimes, but to me it seems like a stretch to call the majority of it "music"

I'm only a four year veteran on the genre, former DJ, and charted on the dance charts back in 2005.

AND THEN ARMAND KILLED YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : (((((((((((((((((

[Neo48]

Depends I guess. I like it, it has energy. It's nice for clubs.

Some stuff can be bland and repetative, but sometimes repetition is a good thing. We all like what we like.

Some people may define music as something that they enjoy listening too, such as myself. It doesn't matter to me how it is made or what rules it follows.

[Mizerith]

My favourites:

goa/psy-trance
S.U.N. Project
Astral Projection
Hallucinogen
Infected Mushroom

...and also a track or two by Cydonia, Solar Plexus, Caunos, Man With No Name... Basically anything on Ishkur's guide. I've just only heard the one song each by these producers, but I like 'em a lot.

other electronic
System F
Tiesto
Darude
Aura
VNV Nation
various acid trance & techno and drum 'n' bass tracks of which the titles escape me at the moment

...also some stuff by ATB, BT, and this one collaboration by Solarstone and
Scott Bond called "Naked Angel".

rock
Helix
AC/DC
Ozzy
Poets of the Fall
Evanescence
Queens of the Stone Age
Gackt
"Pride" by High And Mighty Color

As for metal, I covered that in another thread.

Other than that, I like a lot of music from the Megaman X series and classic Megaman, and I like a lot of music by Motoi Sakuraba who is the composer for Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profile, etc. for those who don't know.

LaconianShot, I always thought music was any sequence of sounds that make up a coherent tune and/or beat. In fact, didn't the very first musicians in Africa make their music by singing and by beating animal-hide drums, because it's all they had? Why does music have to be something that requires a show of insane aptitude, knowledge of theory and only using traditional instruments? I don't see anything wrong with taking advantage of modern technology and having some fun with it. Mike Romeo of Symphony X does it for the instrumental songs. But anyway, if techno indeed is not music, what should I call it instead? Can't be random noise, because it's clearly more than that -- there are coherent melodies and rhythm that I might be inclined to start tapping my foot along to, and humming along with, depending on track. Isn't that all that matters?

[Sir Nicholas]

To Neo: Eh, just something I did under one of my aliases a couple years ago locally. But still. More than most people can say.

To Laco: I was sure you had to be over 13 to join here. Unless you consider a cheap shot at me after I asked for a reduction of drama to be mature. Again, you are sadly misinformed.

Also to Laco: I have a challenge for you, and I will take this oppurtunity to say that if you had given techno a "fair shake" you would have calle dit by its proper term, EDM. If you donwloaded everything you saw off a filesharing program after typing "techno" in the search box, well, I'd hate it too. Now, onto my challenge. There's a list of songs below. Download one-ONE-of these songs, then come back here and make a convincing argument as to why it's not music as much as, if not more than, any other genre.

"Children"- Robert Miles
"For An Angel"- Paul van Dyk
"Strange World"- Push
"Offshore"- Chicane
"Rej"- Ame
"Love Simulation"- Humate (Paul van Dyk Lovemix)
"Suburban Train"- DJ Tiesto
"Carte Blanche"- Veracocha
"Wavy Gravy"- Sasha
"LSD"- Hallucinogen
"Flaming June"- BT
"Enchanted Moments"- Sean Tyas
"Angel"- Lost Tribe
"Perfect Day"- The Visions Of Shiva
"Hello San Francisco"- Dance 2 Trance
"Through Your Eyes"- Giuseppe Ottavianni
"Synaesthesia"- Thrillseekers
"A Break In The Clouds"- James Holden
"Blue Fear"- Armin van Buuren
"Don't Give Up"- Chicane
"Porpoise"- West & Storm
"Teleport"- Man With No Name
"Red Herring"- Union Jack
"Supernova"- Transa
"Cloudwalking"- Pulser
"Everything Goes"- Ferry Corsten
"Yimanya"- Filterheadz
"Clear Blue Water"- Oceanlab
"Dirty Epic"- Underworld
"La Noche"- Coca & Villa
"Eugina"- Salt Tank
"Lost In Love"- Legend B
"Lush 3-1"- Orbital
"Sunset On Ibiza"- Three Drives
"Flashback"- Alphazone
"Rendezvous"- Tilt vs Paul van Dyk (Quadrophonic Mix)
"Velvet Morning"- Kyau & Albert
"Viola"- Moogwai (Armin van Buuren Remix)
"9PM"- ATB
"Seven Cities"- Solarstone
"Cream"- Blank & Jones
"Words"- Paul van Dyk
"Gamemaster"- Lost Tribe
"Beachball"- Nalin & Kane
"Open Your Eyes"- Nalin & Kane
"Atlantis" (Phase III)- DJ Taucher
"Stella"- Jam & Spoon
"Acid Phase"- Emmanuel Top
"Resurrection"- PPK
"Komodo"- Mauro Picotto
"Whatever"- Lost Witness vs Sassot (Aly & Fila Remix)
"The Space Track"- Cosmic Baby
"The Reachers Of Civilization"- York
"Horizons"- James Holden
"Voyage"- Yahel
"Going Up"- Yahel
"Over The Ice"- The Field
"Winter"- Aril Brikha
"Trip To Heaven"- T-Scanner
"Summer Storm"- PHD (Leisure Lounge Edit)
"Night Of The Jaguar"- The Aztec Mystic
"Firefly"- Mike Foyle

And if you're one of those pretentious cocks who say music must have lyrics to be good, well, why waste your time? You sound stupid.

*sigh* Finally, a music debate.

[Neo48]

That list of tracks is godly.