why?

[Lord Khyron]

I love the way you pull out PSO BB screenshots done on normal or low graphics settings.. No HIGH screencaps available?<p>The Low/Normal won't even match it what the GC does. It will never equal the gamecube graphics. <p>Compared to all my years of PSO, The character models are better. Especially with glasses. <p>Do I need to post the ugly PSU screenshots since you can't seem to find them? Looks like I will have to.. Or can you search the PSuniverse japanese page yourself?<p>I've shown lan them and PSlogo. They will agree. <p><p>[size=small][Edit by Lord Khyron on [TIME]1121492466[/TIME]][/size]

[Parn]

I love the way you pull out PSO BB screenshots done on normal or low graphics settings.. No HIGH screencaps available?<p>The Low/Normal won't even match it what the GC does. It will never equal the gamecube graphics.

<br>Initiate anti-bullcrap mode!<p><br>Guess which version this is? Taken from as close to the exact same spot in the room as I could from the PSOBB screenshot. OH NOES PC VERSION HAS MORE CLARITY. Unless of course, you turned on Anti-Aliasing on PSOBB with your PC in which case, you'd have the same blurred effect and would therefore have EQUIVALENT GRAPHICS.<p>Save the bullcrap for someone that's ignorant, mm'kay? I know what I'm talking about.<p>

Compared to all my years of PSO, The character models are better. Especially with glasses.

<br>Hahaha.... yeah, okay. Phantasy Star Universe characters have a higher polygon count, have eyes that blink, fingers that animate, mouths that open and close when speaking, and are capable of different facial expressions to exhibit emotion.<p>You know, if you were argueing art direction, that'd be one thing... but the graphical quality isn't even debatable.<p>

Do I need to post the ugly PSU screenshots since you can't seem to find them? Looks like I will have to.. Or can you search the PSuniverse japanese page yourself?

<br>What, you mean screens like this?<p><img src='http://synbios.net/~parn/misc/psu-6.jpg'><br>Big freaking deal. If you zoomed up on a PSO character's face THAT close, it'd look way worse.<p>

I've shown lan them and PSlogo. They will agree.

<br>You know, this is just hilarious. PSU has way larger environments and draw distance, way more animations for characters, larger and more detailed monsters and bosses, superior environment effects and a sky that's actually rendered on the fly instead of being a static background, and you're going to sit here and tell me the game looks worse than the Dreamcast release of Phantasy Star Online, despite me posting screenshot after screenshot to prove you incorrect while you fire back with "two other people agree with me" as your grand conclusion?<p>Better hit the kiddie pool if dealing with a grown-up is too much for you.

[Lord Khyron]

If you're not willing to look at the newer screencaps to see what I reference to..<p>You're not worth debating with.<p>Also, since you cannot use high quality PSO BB shots, to match the gamecube quality..<p>You're even more not worth debating with.<p>So have fun, being ignorant and pointing things out to yourself ^_^<p>P.S. message changed because it wasn't worth it. <p>[size=small][Edit by Lord Khyron on [TIME]1121560568[/TIME]][/size]

[Parn]

<blockquote> If you're not willing to look at the newer screencaps to see what I reference to..</blockquote><br>You know, you keep saying this over and over, yet you neglect something important:<p><br>You notice those nice little "NEW" listed over the last three screenshots? The last two of those three screenshots were used in my above posts.<p>You lose once again.<p>

Also, since you cannot use high quality PSO BB shots, to match the gamecube quality..

<br>Hey brain surgeon. That screenshot I posted featuring my character? That's the GameCube version.<p>

You're even more not worth debating with.

<br>i.e. I completely destroyed your attempt at argument and you have absolutely zero ammunition left, so you play the classic game of message board cop-out. Go drink your Capri Sun if you can't handle the grown-up drinks.<p>

So have fun, being ignorant and pointing things out to yourself ^_^

<br>Or to the rest of the board. You got served, big time, and you don't know how to respond. You're too proud to admit that you're wrong, and would rather play the "you're not worth my time, you're just a nobody" card. It's really, really weak.<p>

P.S. message changed because it wasn't worth it.

<br>You really should have left things alone, because your edited post is pretty half-assed. I guess that's how you handle things though... make ridiculous claims without any proof, then when someone calls you on it and provides substance to back up their own claims, you back out like a little weasel, climb your ivory tower and deem your opponents inferior without a lick of substance.

[Lord Khyron]

Why don't you look at the one with the 3 walking in the black room? Then go to Relics under story and see it there? Even on the previous page, there are several that are bad.<p>Not looking at those? How sad and biased. <p>You also tried to use CRAPPY Blue Burst images to prove your point of graphic superiority.<p>That right there proves you have no idea what the hell you speak about. You're only pointing out the ones you think are GOOD, ignoring the rest. Yes, be a little fanboy why don't you? Just to make friends and be popular? <p>That means you're not worth debating with. You refuse to see other view points if it damages your little mentality. I for one know PSU has some good graphics, it also has crap graphics, and the crap outweighs the good. Can't comprehend this? <p>All your counter claim is insults and flaming. Really sad.<p>You definitely do not deserve that name. This should be closed, before you turn it into a total flame war because of your ignorance. <p>Poor me, I tried to undermine what he worshipped. I'm such a bad person.. I should have remembered to let the idiots worship what they want. Remember, people who make up their minds can never be reasoned with.<p>Why didn't I consider YOU someone like that x.x Damn my different opinion.<p>I will never learn, Sad sad sad!<p>Time for me to walk away, rather than deal with a moron who won't consider something that can change his fanaticism. What a waste of time x.x<p>[size=small][Edit by Lord Khyron on [TIME]1121572092[/TIME]][/size]

[Parn]

What happened to the whole "you're not worth it" thing? In any case, it's play time!<p>

Why don't you look at the one with the 3 walking in the black room? Then go to Relics under story and see it there? Even on the previous page, there are several that are bad.

<br>What, this?<p><img src='http://synbios.net/~parn/misc/psu-9.jpg'><br>I assume you reference the glow on the weapons. Pssst... a screenshot can't give off the same effect from something meant to be seen fully animated. See: cel-shaded games.<p><img src='http://synbios.net/~parn/misc/psu-7.jpg'><p><img src='http://synbios.net/~parn/misc/psu-8.jpg'><p>What's wrong with those? What, the lighting upsets you? Don't get near the teleporters in Pioneer 2 then... Christ. Feel free to explain to us what exactly is wrong with the above. I hope you're not referencing that professor guy's neck in the second screenshot, because then I'd have to go and screencapture a HUmar and their disjointed necks in your precious PSO. I'll even break out the Dreamcast version for you.<p>

Not looking at those? How sad and biased.

<br>Oh, I'm looking at them alright. Still don't know what the hell you're actually talking about. "They're worse!" is about all you can come up with. Why don't you actually EXPLAIN something?<p>

You also tried to use CRAPPY Blue Burst images to prove your point of graphic superiority.

<br>Blue Burst is sharper than the GameCube release, and if you want to blur things up, you simply turn on anti-aliasing. For the hell of it, I even went ahead and screen captured from the GameCube release to prove you wrong, and you just brush it off. You're full of nothing but piss and wind.<p>So what screenshots should I use that would make this "fair"? Remember, you said PSO Dreamcast... which stage of the original four should I take a screengrab of so we can do a neat little comparison?<p>

That right there proves you have no idea what the hell you speak about.

<br>I refute every sentence you make, and back up every claim with screenshots and screen captures. You just say stuff with nothing behind it.<p>

You're only pointing out the ones you think are GOOD, ignoring the rest.

<br>I posted your so-called ugly screenshots, and there's nothing wrong with them, unless you're seeing something I'm not. Feel free to TELL US ALL ABOUT IT.<p>

Yes, be a little fanboy why don't you? Just to make friends and be popular?

<br>Oooooh, I'm a fan boy. TENSIONS ARE RISING!<p>Seriously... stop. You're horrible at this.<p>

That means you're not worth debating with.

<br>You never debated with me to begin with. In reality, it looks more like YOU are not worth debating with. I type out fairly lengthy responses backed up with screenshots and the like, and you retort with nothing. I'm kind of repeating myself a lot, aren't I?<p>

All your counter claim is insults and flaming. Really sad.

<br>No, they are full of screenshots and content refuting everything you say, WITH some insults as an added feature, kind of like the cherry with the whipped topping on the ice cream. You're just being ridiculous now.<p>

You definitely do not deserve that name.

<br>What, this alias 'Parn'? I didn't realize I had to earn an internet forum name.<p>

This should be closed, before you turn it into a total flame war because of your ignorance.

<br>No, it should be closed because this ass-kicking is way too one-sided. This must be really embarassing for you.

[Neo48]

Umm...I'm gonna throw in my 2 cents here...but...<p>Would Sonic Team release a game called Phantasy Star Univerise, a game that is supposed to step up PSO in every way, with worse graphics? Does teh fact that the game releases in Winter of 2006 mean anything? Holy Shit! They still have another E3 to go into for god sakes. Once again...judging to early.<p>Khyron...the points against you have been made, and I'm not sure anyone would side with you unless you show something. Mind you I am not taking sides, but I am curious to see your examples of better PSO shots as opposed to PSU. Because, everything I have seen from PSU has impressed me a great deal as far as PSU goes.

[GroG]

Seriously for me graphics doesn't count that much if the gameplay and storyline is crap. I'd be willing to sacrifice some polygons if I get a good story <br>And besides, you can't demand to much from a PS2. In new games graphic creates a good atmosphere, not like the retro games which got their feeling from the genius minds of that times gamecreators.<br>Still PSU got better graphics than PSO, and the graphics could have been better if they made it for the GC. <p>[size=small][Edit by GroG on [TIME]1121584863[/TIME]][/size]

[DaveGeorge]

You really speak my language My thoughts exactly.

[Saner2]

Whining won't do you any good. The Gamecube is not the smartest choice to sell 3rd party games., no matter how much better the graphics can be on Gamecube. <br>especially since PS2 consumers outnumber Gamecube's 10 to 1. Gamecube is doing decent enough because of nostalgia and its fans. the Nintendo brand name. the Nintendo franchises people will love no matter what. Mario. Zelda. StarFox. Metroid. Donkey Kong. Pokemon. etc. etc. <br>and its classic games that entertained many people. Gamecube's online community is the smallest out of all the current systems. That's Nintendo's fault for not taking online seriously. <p>despite Sega's mistakes in the past, any company is aware of the numbers. And their sales with the Gamecube doesnt even match the profits the Gameboy generations have made. <p>- Here are the accumlated console hardware sales in Japan for the first half of 2005:<p> 1. PlayStation 2 - 1,286,882 units<br> 2. Nintendo DS - 1,236,268 units<br> 3. PlayStation Portable - 1,137,597 units<br> 4. GameBoy Advance SP - 497,931 units<br> 5. GameCube - 159,559 units<br> 6. GameBoy Advance - 16,040 units<br> 7. Xbox - 9,045 units <p>face it. a game is more than likely to sell MORE copies in a shorter amount a time on a system that has sold the most consoles and bringing in the most money. graphics are never at the top of the list when it comes to sales and fun. Cause sales are what keeps a company alive. <p>PSU already looks beautiful as it is. and PS2 and PC have the strongest online communities, although Xbox Live is up there too. Learn to appreciate art instead of demanding the best graphics possible these days. <p>If you refuse to get a PC or PS2 for the game, then you're just missing out. you lose, not us. <br>this game looks even better than FFX and FFXI and that's great, especially for an RPG that can be played online. it's not a true MMORPG but like PSO has proved, it doesnt need to be a mmorpg to be fun online. ^_^ I'm really glad PSU favors actual worlds than just 100% dungeons and one 'town' which is just a collection of shops. the fact that there are vehicles hints how huge this game's 'universe' is gonna be. <p><b>Also the game is coming Feburary 2006 in USA. February is Winter too, you know. the Japanese version is being release Winter 2006. And earlier interview already confirmed that Yuji Naka is almost done with the game. <br>So it's impossible for it to take a whole year till next December for the game to come over here, when it's coming this year for Japan. translations can happen as quickly as 2 months. </b><p>[size=small][Edit by Saner2 on [TIME]1121631435[/TIME]][/size]

[Lord Khyron]

The shadoiws, the blockiness of the characters, the horrible facial features..<p>I've pointed all that out. My mistake was considering I needed to show the images<br>and circle things just to prove a point, since people can't read and look to see <br>something. <p>The Dragon in PSO looks better than that dragon shown in PSU. I've seen the same city graphics done on Final fantasy 8 for balamb garden. There is nothing new there. <p>Do I really need to show a side by side picture comparison to show it?<p>I'm going to paste bandwidth consuming huge pictures in a post on a forum, just to prove a point to those visually illiterate?<p>Waste bandwidth uploading bmp's since jpg/gif conversion musses some quality?<p>My mistake was thinking I could explain and hope people would be able to see. I didn't realize <br>people needed visual aids to see something so simple. <p>And Neo? Lots of sequels have been released with worse graphics than the originals. Do I really need to name them?<p>My mistake was trying to explain a damn thing. <p>Next time, I'll just let you believe your delusions that this will be the greatest game, so big and and so expansive<p>And I'll let you believe the PS 2 will be able to support patches and new content like the PC.<p>Oh Saner? Where the hell do you get your hardware totals? Gameboy Advance has sold way more than you put there. And you're not taking into account the sales of hardware over here.. Let's not and give a one sided argument.<p>Great, Next time, I get to be a bitch like Parn and put over 40 images right inside a message just to prove a point! WOW!<br>

[Parn]

For some reason, those Cinnamon Toast Crunch commercials come to mind.<p>"Parn can see almost anything! But can he see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?"<p>"He just doesn't get it! Grown-ups are so lame!"<p>

The shadoiws

<br>You mean shadows... and pssst... you said you've seen better graphics on Dreamcast, but Phantasy Star Online on Dreamcast had CIRCLES FOR SHADOWS.<p>Even then, guess what though?<p><img src='http://synbios.net/~parn/misc/pso-8.jpg'><br>This is an early screenshot of Phantasy Star Online for GameCube. OH NOES ROUND BLOCKY SHADOWS! PIXELATED TREES! BLOCKY CHARACTERS LAWL! Anticipating that you'll call me a liar, you can check it for yourself here at Gamespot.<p><img src='http://synbios.net/~parn/misc/pso-9.jpg'><br>Early screenshot of PSO for Xbox. Also can be checked at Gamespot right here. I cover all my bases bub. You lose again. It is very likely PSU will have normal shadows when it finally releases.<p>

the blockiness of the characters

<br>This one is just absolutely ridiculous. Zoom up any PSO character and they look worse. Do I /really/ need to pull up some screenshots with character creation? Seriously, this is just hilarious.<p>

the horrible facial features..

<br>ROFLMAO<p><img src='http://synbios.net/~parn/misc/pso-5.jpg'><p>In case you missed it this time:<p><img src='http://synbios.net/~parn/misc/pso-5.jpg'><p><img src='http://synbios.net/~parn/misc/pso-5.jpg'><p><img src='http://synbios.net/~parn/misc/pso-5.jpg'><p>

I've pointed all that out. My mistake was considering I needed to show the images<br>and circle things just to prove a point, since people can't read and look to see<br>something.

<br>When? Feel free to quote yourself in a previous post, because it's not there. All you've said is "they're bad" in previous posts without pointing out specifics. And you continue to be vague.<p>

The Dragon in PSO looks better than that dragon shown in PSU.

<br>Eh, I can't argue this one, as this one honestly is more of an art direction type deal. I can assure you though, that the dragon in PSU is of a much higher polygon count, is considerably larger, and it has a FAR superior AI (it's very aggressive). I'm even going to be kind enough to share this video, an 87 meg MPEG video of the dragon fight from the E3 demo. You can download it right here.<p>

I've seen the same city graphics done on Final fantasy 8 for balamb garden. There is nothing new there.

<br>Yet it looks completely superior to anything done with Phantasy Star Online. Pioneer 2 looks so damned boring and puny in comparison.<p>

Waste bandwidth uploading bmp's since jpg/gif conversion musses some quality?

<br>What in the hell does this have to do with anything? You know those PSU screenshots? Those are JPG files. HUR HUR HUR IRONY<p>

My mistake was thinking I could explain and hope people would be able to see. I didn't realize people needed visual aids to see something so simple.

<br>See WHAT? You have been vague this entire time. Point to a specific screenshot and explain what is wrong with it and how it is worse than PSO Dreamcast graphics. My apologies that the rest of us aren't as privileged as you that we can't see these problems in what is obviously a superior graphics engine.<p>

My mistake was trying to explain a damn thing.

<br>Except you didn't explain anything. "Look at the latest screenshots, they're horrible!" is not explaining crap. That's about as vague as it gets. Why don't I just point towards my left and yell at you through my internet connection: "CAN YOU SEE IT? WHY CAN'T YOU SEE IT!?!?! GOD YOU'RE BLIND!"<p>

Great, Next time, I get to be a ***** like Parn and put over 40 images right inside a message just to prove a point! WOW!

<br>Hahaha... using the image tag on a forum is grounds for being an asshole? Mmm'kay.

[Saner2]

Lord Khyron you have poor taste in art. PSU is definitely one step above all PSO games in visuals. even the faces look much better. especially if you've seen the latest trailer with the character creation demonstration. PSO's faces can't hold a candle to that. not to mention the quality of the bodies, clothes, lighting, etc. <p><b>if you think its bad then I dont see why you continue to whine about it. <p>this game's definitely not for you. </b><p>and I put those hardware totals to see if you would realize why it's smarter to make the game for PS2 than Gamecube. who cares if GBA surpasses PS2's totals? there's no way it or the DS can handle PSU. Why do you think Kingdom Hearts CoM is 2-D instead of 3-D and looking all low budget aside from cinemas? even the DS's 3-D games look 2nd rate compared to console games. <p>the hardware is simply nothing compared to consoles. and Gamecube's consumers and whatever online community it has can't match PS2's. <p>Xbox Live is left out because Live is an isolated online community. Sega can't have Japanese and English players play together like they have with PSO using Xbox Live. besides Xbox is doing an all time low in Japan, no matter how much better graphics it can do. <p><p>[size=small][Edit by Saner2 on [TIME]1121643773[/TIME]][/size]

[Parn]

I have created a new wallpaper to commemorate this occasion.<p><p>Sorry, didn't make an 800x600 or 1024x768 version yet.