PSIII contradictory bullshit

[Mister Death]

can dark force really be said to have a fully developed personality? a couple of them act slightly differently to the others, but they're still mostly just very simple entities that absorb negative emotions, evolve, destroy things, possess things and do nothing else. The PS3 DF spoke - all it said was 'I possess things and destroy them, RAAR!'. We already knew that. The PS4 DF was mimicking a human only in the sense that it made a direct copy of a human as a physical shell, and gave it some human-like behavioural patterns to make it realistic- it doesn't mean it actually developed a human personality.

the spiritual entities all seem to have just one purpose - Le Roof gives out information, Re-Faze guards Megid, Sa-Lews and De-Vars test would-be Protectors to see if they're worthy of Le Roof's information, the PD corrupts and destroys things. We don't have enough information to say what the GL does but it seems to be just the PD's opposite, and not even much better than him... i agree with Chaz that he shouldn't have just gone off and left Algol to its fate after sealing the PD inside three populated planets using a potentially unstable seal.

[LegoMuskCat]

Today, om the Dark Force wiki page, I made an alteration on the last bit about the PD (highlighted in bold):

... However, Dark Force still exists on Alisa III, which therefore hints at the possiblities that:

- Dark Force can exist without the Profound Darkness.

or...

- The Profound Darkness has not been truly destroyed.

Booyah, bitches!

I had never considered the latter before... Makes more sense to me, and what Khyron said pretty much supports that theory. Still, Chaz and co. are tools of the Great Light! :p

[Dorrinal]

Yes, Chaz is a tool.

[BenoitRen]

Who says spiritual life forms in Phantasy Star can't be destroyed? This is a fictional universe, after all.

No, Chaz is not a tool.

[LegoMuskCat]

Who says spiritual life forms in Phantasy Star can't be destroyed? This is a fictional universe, after all.

Then why didn't the Great Light destroy the Profound Darkness instead of sealing it away? :O

[BenoitRen]

Because it couldn't? They split from one being, they were probably roughly equal in power.

[Mister Death]

does that mean Chaz, Rune, Wren and Rika are more powerful than the Great Light?

the Great Light isn't very strong, is he?

then again, the PD isn't that strong either... he's a pretty weak final boss...

they're kinda crap spiritual life forms

[Lord Khyron]

Use the PS 3 translated script of Capowski's.

The Story the old man tells on the boat is different! Here it is:

"The fortress's people, thirsting for hatred's power,
summoned the Darkness known by that name.
Orakio, angered,
thrust down his black sword,
and sealed both fortress and Darkness away."
...That's it.

Now.. That fortress used to belong to Rulakir probably.

In both the English and Japanese PS3, Dark force was SEALED by Orakio's sword and buried in the temple. His sword can be considered a Soul stone used in the DIablo games to hold the souls of the prime-evils. Temporary at best.

When you remove Orakio's sword, Dark force is freed..

It brings another question.. According to the ENGLISH PS 3, the sages quote that "The ultimate evil dwells on a floating city in the
barren waste lands of the dome named Terminus."

Now.. If that is the case, WHAT the hell do you free from Orakio's sword? Do you free his BODY? Or his SOUL?

Rulakir says "Rulakir:
My heart went black 1,000 years ago, when my family died in
the Laya-Orakio war. Dark Force owns my soul and he shall
own yours!"

Just like Zio and Lashiec..

Now the question is.. WHAT THE FUCK did you release with Orakio's sword? According to the Sages, Dark Force dwells in Lashute, not the temple with Orakio's sword.

Could the sages mean it is Dark Force's BODY that lives in Lashute while his soul lies in Orakio's sword?

[IndispensablePeaGuy]

DF wasn't meant to have its own personality as its one and the same with the PD. It's not like the DF is suddenly free from the PD, allowing it to do what it wants on some distant worldships after it's been killed for good.

What my post was trying to say is, the above assumption is likely wrong. Stop trying to make the facts fit your hypothesis; the events in PS contradict your assertion. Indeed your assertion is "The stuff that happens in PSIII couldn't have happened." Madness!

The developers behind the remakes of the PS series seemed to have been following the same assertion, though. Generation 1 (PS1), Generation 2 (PSII) and Generation 3 (PSIV), anyone?

Hooray for consistency!

[BenoitRen]

But they weren't following it for consistency. PSIII is an unfinished game of which most of the staff is gone, including the director.

[Lord Khyron]

That Dark Forces' SOUL and BODY can live seperately.

Body in the chest, Soul trapped in a sword.

[Dorrinal]

DF wasn't meant to have its own personality as its one and the same with the PD. It's not like the DF is suddenly free from the PD, allowing it to do what it wants on some distant worldships after it's been killed for good.

What my post was trying to say is, the above assumption is likely wrong. Stop trying to make the facts fit your hypothesis; the events in PS contradict your assertion. Indeed your assertion is "The stuff that happens in PSIII couldn't have happened." Madness!

The developers behind the remakes of the PS series seemed to have been following the same assertion, though. Generation 1 (PS1), Generation 2 (PSII) and Generation 3 (PSIV), anyone?

Hooray for consistency!

I'm sure there are many other reasons to skip PSIII. Most notably that it deviates from the core mythology set out by the other three games. If you play 1, 2, then 4, you don't miss out on any of the metaplot. And don't mention possible time and budget concerns. Imagine trying to squeeze in 4 games among all the other remade classics?

[zandor117]

Heres how I think Dark Force got to the earthmen. After Palma was destroyed and the dimensional seal was weakened, a Dark Force appears onboard Alisa III. In Phantasy Star 3 I consider Crys' ending as canonical. In Crys' ending Alisa III lands on a planet with 2 moons that is believed by me to be planet Ragol from PSO. The people on board Alisa III bury the ship and put a magic seal on it in an attempt to keep Dark Force sealed inside when it arises again. (Alisa III is the ruins). They then build a hidden city inside a misty valley (which is discovered later by Pioneer 2 in PSO episode 3). I assume that the civilization dissapeared at the same time as Pioneer 1 when Dark Falz caused the explosion at the beginning of PSO. The civilization was never discovered by the pioneer project because the Alisa III civilization hadn't developed photon technology while the Coralian civilization used photon technology to communicate. I think that the Coralians descended from the NeoPalm. In both Adan's and Crys' stories that both end at planet Ragol the NeoPalm is never seen. And the Coralians had to have originated from Algol because of the existance of newmans and project MOTHER in PSO. Anyways, the other Dark Forces and the Profound Darkness are destroyed back in Algol by Chaz and his party. Dark Falz on Ragol realizes this and attempts to "evolve" into a new Profound Darkness to replace the last. Dark Falz fails to evolve into the Profound Darkness and instead becomes Amplam Umbla. Amplam Umbla produces Germ in an attempt to regenerate a Dark Falz but Pioneer 2 finds The Germ and harvests it for its own use. When Pioneer 2 finally finds Amplam Umbla and it is destroyed the public realise what CARD technology (Germ Technology) actually is and they dispose of it in the nearby black hole. (the black hole near Ragol is seen in Adan's ending and because of Aron's ending we know it leads to Earth and allows backwards time travel.) After being dumped into the black hole The Germ collect together and generate into a Dark Force. After exiting the black hole at the pre-PS2 Earth the Dark Force reestablishes telepathic communication with the original Profound Darkness and no longer has the need to evolve. Dark Force then corrupts the earthmen and enters the Algol system on board the spaceship Noah.

[Lord Khyron]

You see, a online quest makes this commen.. The quest is TODAY"S RATE:

Here is the dialogue:

If you're a real Hunter then you've probably seen it before right?
Traces of our civilization slumber in the depths of Ragol...
This ancient technology provides insight into our civilization...

The ruins underneath Ragol are CORALIAN based. Now if you look at Episode 3, the Leukon Knights were created centuries ago to fight an ancient evil. Also, According to episode 3, the ancient civilization on Ragol was destroyed by a Germ.

Now.. let us look at how this whole PSO thing started. In 3063, a meteor landed on Coral. It had within it D-cells, the opposite of PHOTONS. Coralians had began experimenting with Photon Energy.

Normal Photons provide power, D-cells or Dark Photons can evolve and change. This link has extra info on it: http://psoscript.netfirms.com/extrabginfo.html

So now in in 3063 the meteor from RAGOL hit Coral. That spawned the Black Paper's push to harness the D-cells from Ragol. D-cells are evolved GERM. THUS the pioneer project was sent to claim D-cells.

Now what this all leads to is that the CORALIANS are descended from the Ancient Civilization on Ragol. The ancient civilization died out trapping Dark Falz in a spaceship of CORALIAN design. The ancient Ragolians lacked the ability to destroy it.

Episode 3 even proves this more by Ravum Aedes Sacrum and the fact that Coralian civilization is buried under Ragol.

Your theory was grand except for the fact that the ancient Ragolians have been dead for a long time. The Leukon Knights went to sleep until disturbed in Episode 3.

Remember: The Great Shadow lives where the Photon Flows intersect, the Photon Flow TRAPS it on Ragol. As was Dark Falz. Dark Falz was trapped BY the Photon. Photon weaponry can never defeat Dark Falz. Endu's ending in episode 3 proves that everytime DF was defeated, it gathered energy until it would have enough to blow up Pioneer 2, Ragol, and escape.

[Mister Death]

Generation 1 (PS1), Generation 2 (PSII) and Generation 3 (PSIV), anyone?

but PS4 was missed out in the GBA version. and in the saturn version, all 4 games were there. it seems a bit random which ones they decide to focus on.