Phantasy Star 2 sucks.

[LegoMuskCat]

Wow. Black Waltz, you've made my day! That's just too awesome... xD

[HTD]

Thats great BlackWaltz, is that Generation 2?

[Lord Khyron]

First person dungeons are easy to create. You can see examples of them even before Phantasy star 1. Hell, the genesis has them as well on Shining in the Darkness.

Would you rather just see the enemies like on Shining in the Darkness and a flash of light when your attack hits? Pathetic animations?

Ps 2 sacrificed the Ps1 approach for a futuristic battle background and ANIMATIONS.

I don't see you bitching about the first Final Fantasies with GLOWING enemies and almost no animations. Wow, walk 3 steps and swing a sword and a SLICE on the other side. Wow, that enemy flashed, cast QUK3 and I suffered 600 damage! What a flash! What a background too!

Besides, a first person dungeon with the battle affects, portraits and such seen in PS 2/4 would be too graphic intensive for the Genesis anyways. Not to mention there isn't enough space on the screen for it all.

Ps1 was really bland with only 1 monster type at times all in a line. Ps2 was exiting with animations and when the enemies attacked, YOU KNEW it hurt. That bite from the ant, the energy disk of the locusta.. The CLUBBING in Dezo..

All in all it felt futuristic, not "oh, walk around a dungeon and one enemy pops up. FLASH, dead. Go on.."

[Aolish]

First person dungeons are easy to create. You can see examples of them even before Phantasy star 1. Hell, the genesis has them as well on Shining in the Darkness.

I don't think there was a game back in the 80s quite like PS1 did. What I mean by that is its really smooth high frame rate vs Friday the 13th NES choppy 1 FPS 3D rooms. Holy cow i got lost in the little house, couldn't even get out. Also shining in the darkness (even tho great detail in the dungeons) dungeons weren't that smooth compared to PS1 either. It was a bit on the choppy side. PS1 was really far ahead of its time.

Ps 2 sacrificed the Ps1 approach for a futuristic battle background and ANIMATIONS.

I don't see you bitching about the first Final Fantasies with GLOWING enemies and almost no animations. Wow, walk 3 steps and swing a sword and a SLICE on the other side. Wow, that enemy flashed, cast QUK3 and I suffered 600 damage! What a flash! What a background too!

LOL i thought i was the only one that noticed it. FF1 for the NES backgrounds were just laughable. I love that one strip of jpeg on the top. LAWL!!! PS1 just pwned FF1 in the gfx department, its just really sad how the game never got noticed.

Besides, a first person dungeon with the battle affects, portraits and such seen in PS 2/4 would be too graphic intensive for the Genesis anyways. Not to mention there isn't enough space on the screen for it all.

Ps1 was really bland with only 1 monster type at times all in a line. Ps2 was exiting with animations and when the enemies attacked, YOU KNEW it hurt. That bite from the ant, the energy disk of the locusta.. The CLUBBING in Dezo..

You obviously know this since you just said it, 1 monster type per battle because of console limitations. Other then that PS1 was a technical marvel for its time.

[IndispensablePeaGuy]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5GQQS1rSbhQ

A YouTube rant for all you delightful people on PS Cave.

[Danny]

I didn't understand nothing of what that guy was saying except that "Phantasy Star sucked" and he didn't like the music... Next time, can you post the link to a video that's of slightly better quality?

Anyways, I really like PSII. It had very challenging maps and the music and graphics were well made. The blue grid battle background didn't annoy me either, it looked very futuristic. PSII has features like this to make the game stand out. Imagine if all games were the same... The enemies are way better than the flashing types in older games and you can also fight more then one enemy type as opposed to PSI where you can't. There have been a lot of improvements since the first. Of course, PSIV is my favorite but I like PSII a bit more than the third one anyways... Not to mention that the PSII monsters had better animation than the PSIII ones which had some of the worst attack moves ever.

Edit: Edited for mistakes and the sake of being polite.

[IndispensablePeaGuy]

I didn't understand nothing of what that guy was saying except that "Phantasy Star sucked" and he didn't like the music... Next time, can you post the link to a video that's of better quality and with a normal person?

You understood nothing at all? Are you sure that English is your first language? Okay, my accent is probably hard to decipher, but you can't blame me for that: it's the Bristol lingo.

Another thing: I don't give two-shits about the quality 'cause I don't own, and cannot afford, a fancy digital camera. Perhaps you generous people on PS Cave would be willing to part with your spare? It'd be a nice Christmas present. ;p

Overall, I thought it was an amusing rant from somebody who doesn't take himself or his videos seriously.

And that somebody is me.

PSII is the most godforsakenly depressing angstfest of a game ever made. You could make a game about the holocaust, and it would be a close call as to which was more miserably soul-destroying. PSII might even manage to win.

Seriously, the game exists to punish you for liking RPGs.

That's why we love it so.

Masochist.

[Edless]

Edit



I edited my post because there is no point in moking someone so I'll replace my post by that sentence.


You shouldn't be so bitter

[IndispensablePeaGuy]

Oh gosh, I'm sorry for you...
I truly understand your bitterness now.
You can't afford buying a good webcam, and it might be the same for the games you can afford, you can't afford playing good games like Phantasy Star 2.

Since you're oblige to play tastless games like "power rangers the video game", no wonder you turned sad blue bitter and depressed.

Well, I'll be nice and I'll gladly tell the government or whoever I find to help you.

If you need help, don't worry, internet is a big community, we'll find a way

PS to the moderator
If you think I should edit my post to be more correct, you just have to tell me. I'm usualy not into that kind of post.

Before you come up with another of your sublime, witty retorts, review your English studies first, please.

Seeing as I'm in a generous mood today, I'll give you an idea for the next one: my supposed speech impediment. Oh noes!

[Danny]

How quaint... Yes, well it's hard to understand what he was saying since he was talking under his breath and also sounded either drunk or high. Not only that, but there were coloured blocks all over the place appearing and disapearing. This clearly spells out: b-a-d q-u-a-l-i-t-y v-i-d-e-o.

[LegoMuskCat]

Hey, now... What happened to respecting others' opinions? Throwing out insults isn't the right way to address the topic at hand, either.

I found Pea's video to be funny, (I didn't care about the visual quality when I could hear it just fine) and when should it be taken seriously when it was made for his own amusement anyways?

[BenoitRen]

I saw the video, and understood most of it. So here's a summary of his rant and my rebuttals:

I don't like the music. IV's were more diverse and awesome, like Laughter.

You're comparing a 1989 game with a 1993 game.

The boss theme of PSII sounds like this: *makes sounds*

I don't hear you complaining about PSI's music, which was equally limited in tunes.

The gameplay is crap. *blabbs about menu systems* Then you see Rolf slashing his sword pwew pwew pwew!

Not sure what you're getting at with the menu system. That part was rather unclear. About the pwew pwew pwew effect, I agree it's annoying, but it doesn't happen when your characters strike. It happens when an enemy hits you.

I have no qualms about the spell names, they're not original.

Not sure if you meant to say they're original or not, but they're definitely more original than Fire, Ice, Wind, Cure, etc.

The battle background is poor.

ohnoes, it's not the standard battle background! Run!

You have to pick up characters in the capital. Why can't you pick them up in the towns?

It's nice they come to us for a change, instead of us seeking them.

They start with low levels, and it takes a long time to level them.

Eh, not that long.

The dungeons are too complex, they're boring.

ohnoes, I have to actually make an effort to get through a dungeon! When it comes to graphics, most of the PSIV dungeons are equally as boring.

You take two steps and tuu tuu!

The entire Phantasy Star series is known for its high encounter rate. This is not unique to PSII.

Then he tries to note some good points. He liked the animations, and the portraits, though he wished there were more cutscenes.

He also complains that Nei can't be revivied after defeating Neifirst when earlier you could. As we all know, this is a translation discrepancy.

[IndispensablePeaGuy]

Hey, now... What happened to respecting others' opinions? Throwing out insults isn't the right way to address the topic at hand, either.

I found Pea's video to be funny, (I didn't care about the visual quality when I could hear it just fine) and when should it be taken seriously when it was made for his own amusement anyways?

Don't worry about me, Heather; I'm not too bothered by the negative feedback: it's miniscule compared to what I'm used to on IntensitySquared.

I saw the video, and understood most of it. So here's a summary of his rant and my rebuttals:

Newsflash to the ignorant: This guy's first language isn't English, and yet he can understand me well. What does that tell you about yourselves? Not a lot.

[Aolish]

LAWL@ 1:15 secs! LOL

I don't hear you complaining about PSI's music, which was equally limited in tunes.

I'm guessing Peegai didn't say anything about PS1s audio because:

PS1 = on a weak Sega 8 Bit system
PS2 = on a much more powerful 16 bit system.

Both games can't be compared since PS1 was on a much more inferior system.

Now about PS2, i consider it to be one of the most memorable games I've ever played. I really loved the difficulty for the game and the insane amount of grinding a person had to do to level up. PS2 FTW!

[Edless]

I was just posting to say that I apologize for my previous message.

As I say in my Edit, there is no point in sarcasms against someone who wants to draw attention.

My point is that I enjoyed pretty much playing Phantasy Star II back in the early 90's and also a few years ago when I played it again.
So did the majority of us I presume.
the fact, that it is not canon with FF and a majority of what I would consider to be limited RPG full of stereotypes and happy endings, makes it all desirable to us and I can understand its originality didn't please you.

To a certain extand, a game or an opinion can be considered to be good if it leaves you a message, or a strong feeling. The suprem insult for a game, a book a movie or any creation is to leave people indifferent since it is the sign that it will be immediatly forgotten.

On the one hand we consider that game to be so good that we gathered on this forum to talk about it 20 years after its release. On the other hand, there is you so full of hate against that game that you consider its worth talking about it 2 or 3 times a day and that, 20 years after its release!

Thanks to both our kinds that game will hardly be forgotten by our generation and I should probably thank you for that but I won't because you don't have a good enough webcam Hehehe .

Joke aside, you'll understand I won't thank you since I don't want to appear provocative ; on the contrary, I wish to open the dialogue.

PS

I understand I'm far from being perfect in english, I actualy try to better myself everyday, and it's fun because my strange accent gives me a "plus" when I come to speak with girls or people in general.
They can teach me and I'm glad to learn.
Never have others scorned my english... until now apparently.