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[Benoit]

Only posting this on such boards makes it a very isolated subject. You can't get people to know the genre by posting about it on bishoujo game boards.

[ThePeaGuy]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Benoit</i><p>Only posting this on such boards makes it a very isolated subject. You can't get people to know the genre by posting about it on bishoujo game boards.<br></blockquote><p>You say that it would make the subject more isolated, but then you are more likely to find people to talk with that has the same interests in bishoujo as you do. I don't think that it has anything to do with being ostracized at all, because that's what the community is based on -- bishoujo.<p>Am I right, or am I wrong on this again?<p><p>[size=small][Edit by ThePeaGuy on [TIME]1111797952[/TIME]][/size]

[gm2987]

*Has a large BSM hentai Fetish*<p>I'm not sure if I will play that but I've played a lot of games by G-Collections, although most of those are the nasty ones you guys really would consiter evil XD

[LegoMuskCat]

Anything that has sex is dirty? You may want to rethink that opinion...<br>I did put a warning on the link. The page it links to even puts up another warning.<br>

<br>You want me to flip out? All I'm saying is that even though you may put an "ADULT WARNING" on it, that doesn't stop kids from looking at it.<p>Besides, it's in the forum rules...and you shouldn't be placing links with that content in the forums.<p>

I was hoping that people here would be more mature and wouldn't call out idiocy like "SEX IS EVIL!", which is what most people who cling too much to their (christian) religion do. Like HuBBs. <p> :@ <br>

<br>Posting adult URLs "with warning" and trust the kids's morals so they don't check them doesn't make us mature, that makes us irresponsible. <br>Oh yeah, S3X 15 3\/UL!!!!!111!! <p>And I'm not sticking to religion...just my morals and common sense.

[ROMeo]

To each their own, I'm not one to judge as we all have our own "guilty pleasures" (regardless of whether the guilty pleasure is actually bad or not, all it takes is society to stigmatize it as "lame", "nerdy", or otherwise "evil" for it to become taboo). HOWEVER...<p>* You don't discuss black metal in church.<br>* You don't discuss videogames with your run-of-the-mill nerd-o-phobic highschooler circle<br>* You don't discuss windows in a Linux convention<p>...well, I think you get the idea by now. Mere logic, discusing a subject that's considered taboo in front of the masses (especially strangers) calling on their understanding is the quickest way to instead be ostracized. Just watch Otaku no Video. <p>Evil? Yes. Xenophobic? Of course! Prejudiced? You bet! But then so is life, so might as well get used to it and play by the rules.<p>...next time why don't you rather try to introduce us to the theme slowly instead of just bringing it out? Preferably with a URL that's not a violation to forum rules.

[LaconianShot]

<blockquote>So you believed the crap that HuBBs told us back then? I'm disappointed in you. It's bullshit. Brave Soul is nothing like that.</blockquote> <br>Yeah, okay, and that's why I've read it in other [credible] sources that have confirmed the same thing? <br><blockquote>Of course you haven't, as I can tell by your post how ignorant you are about them. Many bishoujo games are ADVs, but there are also simulations, RPGs, shooters, etc. Most of those other genres have excellent gameplay.</blockquote> <br>Yeah, okay Benoit. And they just <i>happen</i> to have blatant sexuality as an aside, right? Give me a break.<br><blockquote>I was hoping that people here would be more mature and wouldn't call out idiocy like "SEX IS EVIL!", which is what most people who cling too much to their (christian) religion do. Like HuBBs.</blockquote> <br>Nobody said that, Benoit. However, it's totally obvious that these games don't focus on gameplay. No amount of splitting hairs can change that. It's not mere coincidence, you know.<br>The demographic is obvious with these game: male, single, middle aged PC gamers. <br> <blockquote>omg sex is eval lol wtf asl ktnx</blockquote> <br>I wasn't say that sex is evil. I'm just calling a spade a spade, here... it's pathetic that people need to play games like these just because they're horny and can't get girlfriends (not refering to you Benoit, but the main demographic). I don't mind games that err on what some may consider to be sexual as long as the gameplay isn't shoved aside for it and the story can encorporate it. However, let's face it... the majority of Bishoujo games are all about teh Hentai.

[Benoit]

<blockquote>Yeah, okay, and that's why I've read it in other [credible] sources that have confirmed the same thing?</blockquote><br>Those 'credible' sources are prejudiced. I played the damn game! Multiple times, even! And I'm telling you that what those so-called credible sources say is NOT TRUE!<br> <blockquote>Yeah, okay Benoit. And they just happen to have blatant sexuality as an aside, right? Give me a break.</blockquote><br>OMG sex 1s 3val!!!!!1111111<p>As I said, there are also NON-ADULT bishoujo games. Many story-focused games even get released on consoles with the adult scenes edited out.<p>Sex is a part of every adult relationship.<br> <blockquote>Nobody said that, Benoit. However, it's totally obvious that these games don't focus on gameplay. No amount of splitting hairs can change that. It's not mere coincidence, you know.<br>The demographic is obvious with these game: male, single, middle aged PC gamers.</blockquote><br>You're looking at only the English market, which is deceiving. There are many games that DO focus on gameplay.<p>The games from the bunch I like FOCUS ON STORY AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.<br> <blockquote>I wasn't say that sex is evil. I'm just calling a spade a spade, here... it's pathetic that people need to play games like these just because they're horny and can't get girlfriends</blockquote><br>That's a dangerous assumption, here, and the wrong point of view. Some of these games explore various (also sexual) themes. You would prefer that they try it out on real persons? Everyone has their fantasies, and I would rather they do it in a game instead of real life.<br> <blockquote>I don't mind games that err on what some may consider to be sexual as long as the gameplay isn't shoved aside for it and the story can encorporate it.</blockquote><br>Which the games I play do.<br> <blockquote> However, let's face it... the majority of Bishoujo games are all about teh Hentai.</blockquote><br>On the current English market, yes. But those aren't representative of the whole genre. Far from it. We mostly get crap, for the reasons stated above.

[LaconianShot]

<blockquote>Those 'credible' sources are prejudiced. I played the damn game! Multiple times, even! And I'm telling you that what those so-called credible sources say is NOT TRUE! </blockquote> <br>Okay, you can call the sources predjudiced all you want, but I can't see how you'd draw that conclusion considering that I never named them. You say it's simply not true, yes? Okay, so I guess that the women who are granting favors are simply "developing a relationship", right? Hey Benoit, I have a question: is naivety blissful?<br><blockquote>OMG sex 1s 3val!!!!!1111111</blockquote> <br>...especially since I pointed out that I thought the contrary. <br><blockquote>That's a dangerous assumption, here, and the wrong point of view. Some of these games explore various (also sexual) themes. You would prefer that they try it out on real persons? Everyone has their fantasies, and I would rather they do it in a game instead of real life.</blockquote> <br>Oh, it's the "wrong point of view" is it? Okay Benoit, your point of view is <i>always</i> the most grounded and educated one, correct? Glad to know that. Aside from that, I shall continue my "wrong" point of view: these games are all about the fan service and "fantasies". Why not cultivate a healthy sexual relationship instead of an infatuation with some videogame character? <br><blockquote>On the current English market, yes. But those aren't representative of the whole genre. Far from it. We mostly get crap, for the reasons stated above.</blockquote> <br>I'm not saying there aren't exceptions, but you're naieve if you don't realize that the brunt of the genre is focused on fan service and hentai.

[Monocromatico]

To calm down this discussion before it turns out somethng else, I maust note that Sailor Moon is what I have in mind about bishoujo things (Sailor Lesbians anyone?), and still everyone likes it (I do not, though). So, lets drop the ball a bit.

[Benoit]

<blockquote>Okay, you can call the sources predjudiced all you want, but I can't see how you'd draw that conclusion considering that I never named them. You say it's simply not true, yes? Okay, so I guess that the women who are granting favors are simply "developing a relationship", right? Hey Benoit, I have a question: is naivety blissful?</blockquote><br>Most sites that mention these games do it with prejudice. The genre is looked down upon in the West, because the people who mention the games think it's disgusting to have any kind of sex in a game. So yes, it does come from the standpoint "sex is evil!".<p>I'm not naive. I've played the damn game, and understood what they said, and how the characters felt. You, who haven't played the game and is just relying on biased sources, have no room to speak when it comes to these facts. You seem to favor your sources to get your right on this topic.<br> <blockquote>Oh, it's the "wrong point of view" is it? Okay Benoit, your point of view is always the most grounded and educated one, correct? Glad to know that.</blockquote><br>I didn't say that. But your assumption and closed-mindedness on this point is just wrong. I mean, like, it's okay to kill people and to smash heads in a game, but not to explore sexual fantasies? Come on, it's just a game, we both know that. Humans have sexual urges and fantasies, and if they could relieve themselves with a game instead of going to rape someone, all the better.<p>Is it that hard to say "To each their own." here, instead of attacking it?<p>And like I said, not all games are just about the sex. You seem to keep reading past that.<br><blockquote>Aside from that, I shall continue my "wrong" point of view: these games are all about the fan service and "fantasies".</blockquote><br>That's not true. I dare you to play "Kana - Little Sister" and "Crescendo".<br><blockquote>Why not cultivate a healthy sexual relationship instead of an infatuation with some videogame character?</blockquote><br>In the same vein, LaconianShot, shouldn't you go out and do some sports instead of wasting your time playing video games where the character is doing the 'exercising'?<p>In a sense, you're being no different than your parents in this case, who look down upon you when it comes to games.<br> <blockquote>I'm not saying there aren't exceptions, but you're naieve if you don't realize that the brunt of the genre is focused on fan service and hentai.</blockquote><br>In the English market. Not the Japanese market. They have a lot of great titles, like Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien, Tsukihime, To Heart, etc.<p>You're being naive to what the 'credible' sites present you, believing what they tell you and dissing a whole genre of games you haven't even played.<br>

Besides, it's in the forum rules...and you shouldn't be placing links with that content in the forums.

<br>Actually, it's not in the forum rules at all. <br>Besides, if kids want to see nudity, you can bet that they will find it by themselves. Placing a warning makes it their own responsibility.<p>I'll end my post with a transcript of a post of AG3, a fellow bishoujo gamer.<p>---<p>I really should know better than to feed the troll (who'll probably get the post deleted for off-topic again, and maybe this one too), but I'd like to compare "real game" gamers to "ero-game" gamers:<br><img src='http://www.cliparthost.com/accounts/sniperscope/AG3s/GTA.jpg'><p>This was taken a few minutes ago by myself (yes, I DO play "real" games too). I've just slaughtered almost every guest at my club with a chainsaw. YEAH!!! I'm a REAL gamer now! Notice those little drops of blood on the camera lens? Hehehehehehe..... <p><img src='http://www.cliparthost.com/accounts/sniperscope/Kana/SKana07.jpg'><br><img src='http://www.cliparthost.com/accounts/sniperscope/Kana/SKana08.jpg'><br><img src='http://www.cliparthost.com/accounts/sniperscope/Kana/SKana05.jpg'><br><img src='http://www.cliparthost.com/accounts/sniperscope/Kana/SKana02.jpg'><p>Now THIS is some pretty sick stuff!! Would you look at that crap? Those two people seem to LOVE each other!! Sick bastards, if you ask me. I'm sure they'll even have SEX some time later. I'd prove it, but I can't post such extremely gross and sick pictures of it due to forum rules (not that it matters, there are only a few of them in the entire game). Needless to say, any gamer who indulges in stuff like this should be thrown in a mental hospital, and the key to the cell should be promptly tossed into the Atlantic Ocean afterwards.<p>95% or more of the stuff written above was sarcasm, just for the record.

[Etra McGarl]

OMG! Benoit slaughtered their inoccent souls O.o<p>And Benoit i have to stand next to you on this, its all the through the preception of the gamer what it seems to be, like when people were trying to sue GTA for manipulating people into killing other people, its all the gamer, If some one feels its inappripriate, they shouldn't pay it, if they like it play all you want, I see nothing wrong with either game so i'd play both, but i'm not gonna go around killing people or being perverted from playing a game......Ugh hope i got my point across <p>I'm also with dreamer ibn saying it shouldn't have been posted here though........a bit much for this froum if i can say that much.<p>[size=small][Edit by Etra McGarl on [TIME]1111881182[/TIME]][/size]

[Ein Tyrion]

I'm on your side here benoit, I see nothing wrong with those games, What came from a simple question by benoit has become a battleground.<br>Look. I actually wouldnt mind playing one of those, I'm no perv porn freak, and if i look at porn (rarely) its real because i got busted for hentai and it scares me now...O.O<p>But christ...Leave benoit alone.<br>FRICKEN DROP THE TOPIC!!!! GET BACK TO THE ORIGINAL THING (boy, i'm being hypocritical right now....I hate hypocrites)<p>If i knew my parents wouldnt mind i would probally get the game, but they do...so i cant.<br>They game is a way to experience love with second chances, i bet you all said once in your life "i wish i would have said this to him/her instead" christ i do it all the time...<p>I forsee this being closed in the near future, and benoit i side with you fully

[LaconianShot]

<blockquote>I didn't say that. But your assumption and closed-mindedness on this point is just wrong. I mean, like, it's okay to kill people and to smash heads in a game, but not to explore sexual fantasies? Come on, it's just a game, we both know that. Humans have sexual urges and fantasies, and if they could relieve themselves with a game instead of going to rape someone, all the better.</blockquote> <br>Yeah, okay, games where you rape women are great, right? No... of course not. That's sick. If you're even <i>contemplating</i> raping someone, you've got problems. That's unhealthy.<br><blockquote>In the same vein, LaconianShot, shouldn't you go out and do some sports instead of wasting your time playing video games where the character is doing the 'exercising'?</blockquote> <br>Love is meant for people, not a set of electrical parts. Excersize is a little different, Benoit... which, by the way, I get plenty of. Do you want to compare that aspect of our lives? <br><blockquote>In a sense, you're being no different than your parents in this case, who look down upon you when it comes to games. </blockquote> <br>omfg u asswhole u beetraied mai trust!!!!111 </SheWren><br>Not really... I'm not looking down upon you, I'm just saying that the brunt of the Bishoujo genre (at least from what I've experienced) is sex based, which you don't seem to want to admit. <br><blockquote>Pics, etc...</blockquote> <br>Don't you think those are a little selective? I'm sure we could find some graphic scenes from Bishoujo games you know.<br><blockquote>I'm on your side here benoit, I see nothing wrong with those games, What came from a simple question by benoit has become a battleground. </blockquote> <br><b>Woah!</b> Hold on here! Where did I say that these games were bad? I didn't, simply put. Nothing wrong with games that have sexual situations in them, as long as it's done tastefully... which is what I ask of any aspect of a game. However, it just annoys me when Benoit isn't willing to admit that the brunt of the of the market is based on sexuality. Oh, in the West, says he. First: since when can you read Japanese? Second: if the West is so disgusted with that sort of thing, why is the focus of the Western Bishoujo market placed in that "disgust"? That doesn't add up.

[Monocromatico]

Woo, schoolgirl! :^q~~~~~~~~

[Lord Khyron]

The majority of the games end with a sexual scene between the main char and the girl he picks up.<p>That is a known fact. It is also a true fact.<p>I don't see why Benoit can't admit that aspect is true.<p>Sure there are some that aren't sexual.. But the majority are played just to get that one scene.<p>Why the hell do you think Sim Girl is so popular on newgrounds? They want the NUDE scene!