Awesome new info On Shining Tears.

[Lord Khyron]

Considering it is Benoit and you.. Bickering Might develop is what I meant. <p>Friendships will be damaged and the two of yours is damaged enough.<br>Just concerned is all.<p>I don't mind debates, it is when names get involved that turn<br>it into a free for all that I want to join in. I haven't had a good<br>Forum fight in so long..<p>LOL Anyways, Debate all you want Hubbs. Just avoid<br>name calling ^^<br><p>[size=small][Edit by Lord Khyron on [TIME]1083607707[/TIME]][/size]

[Benoit]

<blockquote>Note my bad grammar I did not mean SC5 sucked I meant "how do you know SC5 sucked?" And Sonic heroes wasn't ported over by a 3rd party company. Oh wait SEGA IS A 3rd PARTY COMPANY!</blockquote> <br>And then people argue that grammar is not that important...<br>Sonic Team only worked on Sonic Heroes for the GameCube and the XBox. They asked another company to convert it to the PS2, which it did a poor job at.<br> <blockquote>Or would you rather ugly and crappy games be made?</blockquote><br>Which get made by buying the wrong system, since the PS2's architecture indirectly promotes those.<br> <blockquote>Both systems have their flaws but neither are better than the other.</blockquote><br>That's true, since in the end, games make the system. But as a system by itself, the PS2 was poorly designed. It shouldn't have been supported in the first place. Not to mention the price they dared to ask for such a poor job. Yes, I know it has a DVD player, but it's still primarly a game console, and the high price also came from Sony having chosen a custom chip, which asked a lot of money in the beginning to produce.<br><blockquote>They both had crappy games and they both had wonderful games.</blockquote><br>Except that the Dreamcast's library consists of 60+% of good games, which can't be said of most other systems. It was so well designed and easy to program that there weren't that many crappy games.<br> <blockquote>As long as the Shining Tear's storyline is set in a seperate universe and doesn't screw with Camelot's great Vandal/Innovator plot, then I'm looking forward to its release in the West.</blockquote><br>I don't have faith in it, since the game is made by another team.

[HuBBsDoctor]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Benoit</i><p> <br>1.)And then people argue that grammar is not that important...<br>Sonic Team only worked on Sonic Heroes for the GameCube and the XBox. They asked another company to convert it to the PS2, which it did a poor job at.<br> <br>2.)Except that the Dreamcast's library consists of 60+% of good games, which can't be said of most other systems. It was so well designed and easy to program that there weren't that many crappy games.<br></blockquote><p>1.) Sega's own website says that Sonic team made it for the ps2 and sega published. If it was done by a 3rd party then sega's website would definitley say who.<p>2.)And over half of the 60% of those good games are ports from the PC, PSone and N64.

[zoothe]

Is there anyone else that is simply happy that there are some new Shining games coming out? If the game sucks, then it sucks, but no one here can say it's *going* to suck, because no one here can really know that until they actually play the game! I think the game looks good and can't wait to play it.

[Goldark]

This has gone way off topic.<p>BTW I really hope that Shining Tears will be a good game, but only time will tell. About the story, maybe they'll made a good one, linked with the prequels, after all Camelot left many openings, also it can be easyly worked on to enrich it. Or maybe SEGA is gonna resume the old Dark Sol, or Dark Dragon, or Zeon.<p>About Volg, probably Arc The Lad copied it from SFI, remember Zylo?<br><p>[size=small][Edit by Goldark on [TIME]1083680346[/TIME]][/size]

[Benoit]

<blockquote>1.) Sega's own website says that Sonic team made it for the ps2 and sega published. If it was done by a 3rd party then sega's website would definitley say who.</blockquote> <br>Of course... That's a bit naive. Besides we all know Sega's history about news. >_><br> <blockquote>2.)And over half of the 60% of those good games are ports from the PC, PSone and N64.</blockquote> <br>While I doubt that, it doesn't really matter, because that doesn't make them less good games.<br> <blockquote>Is there anyone else that is simply happy that there are some new Shining games coming out? If the game sucks, then it sucks, but no one here can say it's *going* to suck, because no one here can really know that until they actually play the game! I think the game looks good and can't wait to play it.</blockquote><br>Basing your opinion just on graphics is bad. That's the mentality of casual gamers these days. Are the graphics good? I'll buy it! It must be good!<br>And why should I be happy that a Shining game is coming out from PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ORIGINAL TEAM? Remember Shining Soul? Yuck.

[Siren]

<blockquote>Basing your opinion just on graphics is bad. That's the mentality of casual gamers these days. Are the graphics good? I'll buy it! It must be good! <br></blockquote> <p>No, that's not what Zoothe meant. I think he was saying that the story, plot, characters, graphics as a whole looked good. He didn'y say " Wow, the graphics are awesome. It must be good." He said it looks good, which is very general and probably refering to the whole game.

[zoothe]

<blockquote>No, that's not what Zoothe meant...</blockquote><p>Exactly. Yes, the graphics look nice, but that doesn't mean anything. Looks are really the only thing we have to judge the game on right now, and good graphics aside, the game has what I would call the "Shining look" which makes me more optimistic that it will be true to the series. If it's not then that sucks but like I said: we won't know until we can play it. More than anything, I'm just happy that it's being made.<p> <blockquote>And why should I be happy that a Shining game is coming out from PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ORIGINAL TEAM? Remember Shining Soul? Yuck.</blockquote><p>A series doesn't always have to be continued by the same team that started it and it's dismissive to assume that because they're not involved the game will suck. Wait and see, that's all you can do. There's no point in being negative.

[Demon Child]

I guess your right about that Goldark. I forgot about Zylo. I only bothered to pick him up once out of the 20 times i played the game so it would be simple to forget him.

[HuBBsDoctor]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Benoit</i><p> <br>Of course... That's a bit naive. Besides we all know Sega's history about news. >_><br> <br>While I doubt that, it doesn't really matter, because that doesn't make them less good games.<br></blockquote><p>Ok then, well then ign, gamespot, and gameinformer all have sonic tam and sega listed as developer and publisher.<p><blockquote><i>Originally posted by Benoit</i><br>While I doubt that, it doesn't really matter, because that doesn't make them less good games.<br></blockquote><p>It means they're availabile on other systems first as well. Dreamcast mostly got the second servings of semi popular games for the pc, n64 and PSone.

[Benoit]

<blockquote>Ok then, well then ign, gamespot, and gameinformer all have sonic tam and sega listed as developer and publisher.</blockquote><br>I'll verify my source then.<br> <blockquote>A series doesn't always have to be continued by the same team that started it and it's dismissive to assume that because they're not involved the game will suck. Wait and see, that's all you can do. There's no point in being negative.</blockquote><br>I think there's a reason to be negative when they screwed up Shining Soul by conflicting the story and making an overall sucky game.

[ThePeaGuy]

But I heard that SS2 is a vast improvement over the original Shining Soul, Benoit.

[zoothe]

<blockquote>But I heard that SS2 is a vast improvement over the original Shining Soul, Benoit.</blockquote><p>I've heard that as well. I haven't bought the game <i>yet</i>, once I play it, I'll confirm that.<p> <blockquote>I think there's a reason to be negative when they screwed up Shining Soul by conflicting the story and making an overall sucky game.</blockquote><p>So if a developer makes one crappy game, all of their games afterward will be crappy too? That's a sad way to look at things.<br><p>[size=small][Edit by zoothe on [TIME]1083855397[/TIME]][/size]

[Benoit]

<blockquote>But I heard that SS2 is a vast improvement over the original Shining Soul, Benoit.</blockquote><br>That's true.<br> <blockquote>So if a developer makes one crappy game, all of their games afterward will be crappy too? That's a sad way to look at things.</blockquote><br>Not all of their games, but games in the same franchise. Let's just say it's not a good sign, as it proves their knowledge of the universe of the franchise.

[Lord Khyron]

Well you just played the SHining Force remake and love it.<p>So I suggest you play Shining Tears and enjoy it or hate it.<p>Because complaining will only deny you and then you'll have something else to raise post count about.<p>Try it like you did the remake.