Interesting Rune info to debate..

[Gipper]

You can kill a spirit life form. Haven't you ever seen <i>Ghostbusters</i>?

[Malakai]

Thank you Gipper, for your randomness.<p>I think that was a primary extent of the Elsydeon's power - combatting against the PD and vanquishing it, whether it be in the physical sense or not. After all, this is Elsydeon, the 'Holy Sword' of the PSI world.

[Lord Khyron]

Yes, the item that can repair the seal, therebye not allowing the PD to ever escape.<p>That was the point of Elsydeon, a backup incase the seal was too damaged to hold.

[Gipper]

<blockquote>LE ROOF: After a long and terrible battle, there was finally a victor.<br> The winner banished the enemy spirtual life form to another<br> dimension.<p> We call the victorious side The Great Light and the defeated<br> one The Profound Darkness.<p>CHAZ: I see, 'Light' and 'Darkness'...<p>LE ROOF: The Great Light feared the resurrection of The Profound<br> Darkness and placed a seal over the dimensional portal...<p>RUNE: A seal?<p>LE ROOF: That's right...a gigantic seal of three planets on one fixed<br> star...<p>RUNE: That can't be...<p>(They see the Algo solar system as it was prior to Parma's destruction.)<p>LE ROOF: Yes, it is. The Algo solar system. The Great Light also<br> distributed Protectors of the seal between three tribes --<br> the Parmanians, Motavians, and Dezolisians. But there were<br> fluctuations in the strength of the seal. Once every<br> thousand years, its power would weaken drastically. As a<br> warning of this phenomenon The Great Light created Rykros,<br> which returns to Algo once every thousand years, and myself,<br> Le Roof.<p>CHAZ: But what use is an invisible planet as a warning?<p>LE ROOF: The Great Light knew that, through the generations, the<br> Protectors would forget their mission. So Rykros was<br> designed to break its silence when the seal's final moment<br> came... to remind the Protectors of the mission they were<br> born to do.<p>RIKA: The seal's final moment? What do you mean by final moment?<p>(An image of Dark Force appears to the Protectors.)<p>LE ROOF: Throughout time The Profound Darkness has seethed with<br> animosity and the need for revenge. And once every thousand<br> years, when the strength of the seal weakens, the most intense<br> part of the The Profound Darkness' hate-filled spirit is able<br> to break through the portal and come to Algo in physical form.<p>RUNE: So that's what Dark Force was!<p>LE ROOF: Every time, a courageous person would defeat Dark Force and<br> bring about a brief period of peace by expelling it. But The<br> Profound Darkness is patient, and finally it destroyed the<br> planet of Parma in battle.<p>RIKA: That means part of the seal is gone!<p>LE ROOF: That's right. And now, a thousand years later, The Profound<br> Darkness is trying to break completely free at last.<p>CHAZ: The seal's final moment... Are you saying that it's happening<br> now?<p>LE ROOF: Maybe.<p>RIKA: Maybe?<p>LE ROOF: The Darkness will once again wield its frightening power, and<br> completely break the seal, or...<p>CHAZ: Or what?<p>LE ROOF: Someone will conquer The Darkness and render the seal<br> meaningless.<p>CHAZ: Someone like us.<p>LE ROOF: Protectors, listen carefully... If The Darkness escapes, the<br> seal, that is, the Algo solar system, will certainly be<br> destroyed. The only way to prevent this is to go to The<br> Darkness, enter its dimension, and destroy it. As long as you<br> have those Rings of the Stars, you should be able to withstand<br> the largest part of the power of The Darkness. So the time has<br> come. Obey the will of The Great Light and attack The Profound<br> Darkness. This is the very mission that you, as Protectors<br> have been born to.<p></blockquote> <p>In other words, when Chaz and Co. wiped the floor with the PD, they made the seal meaningless. The seal now seals nothing. Therefore, Elysdon has no use anymore.

[Lord Khyron]

The seal was to keep the PD's dimension of "THE EDGE" from being accessible.<p>LAshiec was able to open the portal to get Dark Falz out once.<p>You're saying the exact same thing I am.<p>The Elsydeon negated the necessity of the Algo Seal, meaning it perfected what the GL couldn't perfect.<p>Therefore THE EDGE is sealed off, nothing else will escape.<p>That is the essence of rendering a seal useless. A seal is a temporary fix to something.<p>Now there is a permanent fix with the PD unable to ever escape. <p>There is no need for a Seal now, Elsydeon did the job the Gl was too weak to do.<p>How is that so hard to comprehend?<p>P.S. I see several translation errors there, such as Rune's ignorance being unjustified.

[Gipper]

Translation errors? What are you talking about?<p>The Edge isn't sealed off, it is destroyed.<p> <blockquote>Rune: This dimension...it's collapsing!</blockquote>

[Lord Khyron]

No, you can't destroy a dimension.<p>You are destroying gateway to the heart of the dimension.<p>It says the dimensional force holding this doorway open is collapsing.<p>Right there. THE EDGE is sealed off forever.<p>There is no way to destroy a dimension.

[Gipper]

The dimension is destroyed. The seal is meaningless because there is nothing to seal. As long as the dimension exists, DF's will continue to appear. If there is no dimension, no new DF's can pop up. I say new because there is still one tagging along for a ride in a spacecraft called the Alisa III (I go by Sean's ending). If the dimension is still there, than what is in it?<p>[size=small][Edit by Gipper on [TIME]1109337280[/TIME]][/size]

[Malakai]

Gipper, a dimension can't be destroyed simply because it's not a concrete object - it would be like trying to destroy time or gravity. Instead, the gateway to the dimension is destroyed, thus sealing off the EDGE.

[KexMex]

OK the dimension maybe survived, but everything in it then?

[Benoit]

<blockquote>Well as you know, the PD doesn't have an official body. Dark Force is it's projected body.<p>SO therefore, what you destroy isn't the PD itself.<p>Therefore, the body is created is gone, but the spirit lifeform lives on.<p>You can't kill a spirit life form O.o</blockquote><br>What you are fighting is NOT a Dark Force! It's the Profound Darkness.<br>The Profound Darkness is NOT a god, and a spirit life form is still a life form, and can be killed. Also remember that this is Phantasy Star's fictional universe, which may not adhere to the rules of other fiction.<br> <blockquote>Yes, the item that can repair the seal, therebye not allowing the PD to ever escape.<p>That was the point of Elsydeon, a backup incase the seal was too damaged to hold.</blockquote><br>Once again, get off your Compendium chair. Seal has many meanings, and Le Roof did say<br> <blockquote>LE ROOF: The Darkness will once again wield its frightening power, and<br>completely break the seal, or...<p>CHAZ: Or what?<p>LE ROOF: Someone will conquer The Darkness and render the seal<br>meaningless.<blockquote></blockquote><br>Le Roof explicitly says "conquer", which would mean defeat, and in this context, death.<br> <blockquote>The seal was to keep the PD's dimension of "THE EDGE" from being accessible.<p>LAshiec was able to open the portal to get Dark Falz out once.<p>You're saying the exact same thing I am.<p>The Elsydeon negated the necessity of the Algo Seal, meaning it perfected what the GL couldn't perfect.</blockquote><br>You have a fundamental misunderstanding of "meaningless".<br>When a seal is rendered meaningless, it means that it has lost its purpose. This means that the seal might as well not be there.<br>Yet, if there would be no seal, and the Profound Darkness would be alive, it would come to Algol. See where you're wrong?<br> <blockquote>Therefore THE EDGE is sealed off, nothing else will escape.<p>That is the essence of rendering a seal useless. A seal is a temporary fix to something.<p>Now there is a permanent fix with the PD unable to ever escape.<p>There is no need for a Seal now, Elsydeon did the job the Gl was too weak to do.</blockquote><br>Suppose that what say is true, then you would have to admit that Elsydeon wasn't made to seal away the Profound Darkness, like you always say. See the double standard?

[Lord Khyron]

You're missing the other meaning of seal.<p>To make inacessible.<p>Dark Falz always came through THE EDGE. That dimension was accessed via the fluxuations every 1000 years. That enabled DF to escape.<p>The seal wasn't strong enough to keep anything related to the PD trapped forever.<p>With Elsydeon, you can close off the dimension period. <p>No more Dark Falz, No more PD, Nothing could escape. <p>A definition of seal:<p>make tight; secure against leakage; "seal the windows" <br>A device that joins two systems or elements in such a way as to prevent leakage. <p>So therefore, with the PD sealed off, Nothing relating to it can escape. No DF, No D-em-Lars or Xe-A-thouls..<p>The GL made a imperfect seal, the Elsydeon made a perfect one.<p>I am not using a double standard.<p>Why can't you understand? Maybe I am using too high of vocabulary..

[Benoit]

Le Roof said it would render the seal meaningless. That's all there is to understand.

[ThePeaGuy]

Elsydeon is a weapon to replace the seal, huh...<p>What does this script tell you?<p><blockquote> --Esper Mansion, one last time--<p>RUNE: Chaz, the sacred sword Elsydeon awaits you!<p>CHAZ: The sacred sword Elsydeon?<p>RUNE: It's probably the one and only weapon that has the power to<br> destroy The Profound Darkness! Go, Chaz...alone! Go and meet<br> with Elsydeon!<p>[center] --After Chaz claims the ultimate weapon of Algo, Elsydeon--<p>RUNE: I knew it. Elsydeon promised that it would give you power. There<br> was no mistake in my judgment!<p>CHAZ: Rune!<p>RUNE: Chaz, let's go save Algo!<p>CHAZ: Right! We're doing it for all life in Algo, and to create a<br> future that is truly free of terror! A future unbound at last<br> from the evil of the past! For that, I will fight!<p></blockquote> <p>You see, Khyron, no matter how you do your math, the coming climax of PS4 was based solely on the complete destruction of the The Profound Darkness, not its complete imprisonment. Even the back cover of the game hints that the evil of Algo will be destroyed forever if you succeed in completing it.<p><p>[size=small][Edit by ThePeaGuy on [TIME]1109371048[/TIME]][/size]

[PSP]

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Lord Khyron</i><br>Why can't you understand? Maybe I am using too high of vocabulary..<br></blockquote><p>And you wonder why I think you're an ass...<p>The PD was destroyed. PSIV was meant to be an ending. You're pulling all of your support out of your ass, just like Ripp.<p>Please stop.<p>-Corey